1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Over 25 million Italians have emigrated between 1861 and 1960 with a migration boom between 1871 and 1915 when over 13,5 million emigrants left the country for European and overseas destinations.
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1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 30 Jul 2008, 12:27

In the process of gathering documents, I've found that my GGF is listed 'Na' on the 1910 census. I had submitted some requests for searches to NARA, hoping to find that GGF naturalized after GF was born (still waiting). And then I found out about the 1912 "Rule"...

I can only pray that all searches show "No Records Found". Other than that, is there any hope? Any way to challenge this?

Thanks in advance!

-John Q.

BTW, I fall under the Chicago consulate's jurisdiction...

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby mler » 30 Jul 2008, 13:42

Pray for the "no record found," which is quite possible since census records were notoriously inaccurate. As far as I know, there's no getting around that interpretation of the 1912 law.

May I also suggest that you ask the kind people here to help you do a search of your ggfather's records. If you provide some names and dates, perhaps someone can find more than just an old census record.

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 30 Jul 2008, 13:57

mler wrote:May I also suggest that you ask the kind people here to help you do a search of your ggfather's records. If you provide some names and dates, perhaps someone can find more than just an old census record.


Thank you mler! I did exactly that in the "Genealogy" forum, and found out to a very high degree of confidence that my GGF was born in the San Gennaro hamlet of Cappannori, Lucca Province!

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby mler » 30 Jul 2008, 13:58

Any information on his naturalization (on non-naturalizaion)? Post again with that question.

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 30 Jul 2008, 14:03

mler wrote:Any information on his naturalization (on non-naturalizaion)?


Nothing yet. I've sent requests to National Archives, and am waiting on their response. Are there those here who have access to that kind of information, from other sources?

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby pink67 » 30 Jul 2008, 15:13

Hi John,
I'm not an expert in naturalization matter but maybe this new procedure pointed out by Wldspirit can help you finding the record?

http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Foru ... 10090.html

however, Angelo Sodini declared to be an Alien in 1900 census and NA in 1910 census....

Ciao!
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edit to correct dates

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 30 Jul 2008, 15:29

Thank you Laura!

Yes, I was waiting for mid-August to use the new USCIS Genealogy Program!

Also, did you mean that GGF Angelo declared as Alien in 1900 census and NA in 1910 census? That would be awesome (GF born in 1901), if it weren't for that darn 1912 thing. Here's to hoping the 1910 census is wrong!!

I spent a bit of time in the library yesterday (they have free access to ancestry.com) but was unable to find a 1900 census record for GGF Angelo... Can I ask please where you found it?

Thanks much again!

-John Q.

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby pink67 » 30 Jul 2008, 15:44

I'm glad to help! :D

I found it on Ancestry.com site... here is:

1900 United States Federal Census
about Angelo Sadine
Name: Angelo Sadine
Home in 1900: Chicago Ward 22, Cook, Illinois
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1897
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Angelo Sadine 35 head, year of Imm. 1897? AL
Jane Sadine 29 wife
Albert Sadine 8 son born in Italy in 1892
Martha Sadine 1 daughter, born in Ill
Johen Piangi 30 roomer
Albertine Piangi 24 wife
Santina Piangi 1 daughter

[img=http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7196/sodiniangelo1900censusyu1.th.jpg]

Ciao!
Laura

maybe this is Angelo's death date?

SODINI, ANGELO
1913-08-15
COOK COUNTY
49 YR
U
Certificate number 00017298
County COOK

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 30 Jul 2008, 16:04

Ahh! I skipped that because of the spelling! But it can be clearly seen to be "Sodini" rather than "Sodine"!

Definitely them!:

Angelo
Jane (Eugenia)
Gilbert (not Albert)
Martha

I now need to double check his arrival date(s)...

Edit to add: Yes that is the date of his death...

Awesome work Laura! Thanks much! If only, if only....

-John Q.

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby pink67 » 30 Jul 2008, 16:08

Thanks John!
:D

I just added Angelo's death dates, just in case you don't had...

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 30 Jul 2008, 16:30

Thanks Laura! Got it! So close...

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 01 Aug 2008, 08:16

I am happy to report that NARA has replied with "no records found"! Now just waiting for the new USCIS Genealogy Program to go on line. But, I'm sufficiently enough encouraged to go ahead and schedule an appointment with the Chicago consulate, send off for GGF/M's Italian Birth/Marriage records, etc..

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby idmaclean » 20 May 2009, 22:10

any update on this ?

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Re: 1912 "Rule": Is there no hope?

Postby 3rd3rd » 23 May 2009, 15:31

idmaclean wrote:any update on this ?


Sorry for the late reply, but I don't check in very often.

In my case, the "1912 Rule" turned out to be irrelevant. My GGF naturalized via the Superior Court of Cook County in 1897...

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