Dual Citizenship - Lost Birth Certificate Please help!!

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Dual Citizenship - Lost Birth Certificate Please help!!

Postby JonCorrado » 07 Nov 2008, 22:21

Hello, here is my story.
My Great-Grandfather immigrated through ellisisland in 1909. I have all his records ( BC, marriage cert, etc)
My grandfather was born in Cincinnati, OH in 1912, his birth certificate was held in a church, which burnt down, thus now record of his birth certificate exists at the local or state level. I have military discharge records, death certificate, census, tax records, etc. Everything except his birth certificate.

I have every bit of documentation except that, any ideas?
Can a consulate make exceptions?
He is deceased.

Thank you in advance for any help!

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Nov 2008, 22:37

JonCorrado wrote:Hello, here is my story.
My Great-Grandfather immigrated through ellisisland in 1909. I have all his records ( BC, marriage cert, etc)
My grandfather was born in Cincinnati, OH in 1912, his birth certificate was held in a church, which burnt down, thus now record of his birth certificate exists at the local or state level. I have military discharge records, death certificate, census, tax records, etc. Everything except his birth certificate.

I have every bit of documentation except that, any ideas?
Can a consulate make exceptions?
He is deceased.

Thank you in advance for any help!


This sounds odd - the church burned and rrecords were destroyed, but what about the official state vital records copy? According to http://www.odh.ohio.gov/ASSETS/9C5FD91841ED41F1916798649D80C4CA/vsfaq.pdf, Ohio Vital Records has birth records from December, 1908 to present so unless your grandfather's birth went unregistered...

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Postby PeterTimber » 07 Nov 2008, 22:40

In Italy most documents are in the city, town or village of origin. A copy of his birth record is easily obtained. Can you pro vide suchinformation? have you researched ellisisland.org for his arrival which will have this onformation in the event thatyou do not know this place of origin?? =Peter=

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Nov 2008, 23:02

PeterTimber wrote:In Italy most documents are in the city, town or village of origin. A copy of his birth record is easily obtained. Can you pro vide suchinformation? have you researched ellisisland.org for his arrival which will have this onformation in the event thatyou do not know this place of origin?? =Peter=


Peter, it's the birth certificate of the grandfather, born in Cinicnatti, that is missing.

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Postby corrado » 08 Nov 2008, 00:01

Hey Jon,

what about the social security records is there any way you can prove birth from that, or failing that a court order or something? someone else must have had this problem

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Postby corrado » 08 Nov 2008, 00:14

Hey Jon,

what about the social security records is there any way you can prove birth from that, or failing that a court order or something? someone else must have had this problem

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Postby PeterTimber » 08 Nov 2008, 00:18

Have you tried to find the copy of any records submitted to the public school archives in Cincinatti for your grandfather. Perhaps the Archbishop for the area of the burnt church can funish a document attesting to his birth and/or baptism in Cincinatti which the c onsulate may accept in lieu of a birth record. Have you inquired of the Italian consulate what they will accept as proof of birth record??= Peter=

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Postby corrado » 08 Nov 2008, 02:42

I think Peter has a good idea, now that I think of it my aunt's name is Edith, but somehow the Italian doctor in the usa put down Aida on the birthcertificate, as what kind of Italian name is Edith? This caused lots of confusion in her latter life, she never had a drivers license, but now wants to fly on a plane. She had to get her school record to show show her name is Edith.

I have an idea its a bit crazy but what about going into chancery court in Ohio and getting a court order, what would it say.... that your grandfather existed and such and such is his birthday and his fathers name was .... I am sure you could do such a thing. You would need an attorney, but it should be easy to do.

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Postby PeterTimber » 08 Nov 2008, 02:46

May as well also obtain Italian Consulate approval for such substitution of birth record. The Consulate may not approve? =Peter=

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Postby corrado » 08 Nov 2008, 02:50

what about this, this one is for vermont, but i am sure there must be something like this for Ohio.
http://www.uslegalforms.com/vt/VT-198-P.htm

Vermont Petition for Establishment of Delayed Certificate of Birth

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Postby corrado » 08 Nov 2008, 03:05

OK... I found it, this is Akron , Sunnit County but it is a state wide thing.
There is no chancery court in Ohio, they call it Probate court, same thing,
you need to file a law suite, you may not even need an attorney, you will supply all that information you have to the judge and why you need a birth certificate and he will by the order of the court have one created.

http://summitohioprobate.com/CT_BirthCerts.htm

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Postby PeterTimber » 08 Nov 2008, 03:23

Lots of luck =Peter=

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Postby corrado » 08 Nov 2008, 03:29

hiere is hamilton county.... it could take a few months after the court order before you see a birth certificate, but you can get an apostile and you are good to go....
http://www.probatect.org/services/faqs/ ... #question1

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Postby JonCorrado » 09 Nov 2008, 23:04

Thanks All for the replies, The probate court seems to be the wayt to go, but how? It would be easy if my grandfather was still alive, but he's not. How do I file a petition on his behalf? Does his executer have to? Any ideas are appreciated.

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