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Postby blackZ06 » 10 Nov 2009, 02:29

This is my first post. I'm not able to find my father on any manifest or any other records. His name was Nickola De Caro, born in Palermo in 1889. Can someone help?

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Postby wldspirit » 10 Nov 2009, 02:43

Two possibilities:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Nicola De Caro
Arrival Date: 15 Oct 1906
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Moltke
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 14
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_782
Birth Location Other: canneto
Page Number: 96


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Nicola De Caro
Arrival Date: 8 Apr 1924
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Napoli
Ship Name: Adriatic
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 17
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3471
Page Number: 32

Assuming here that he immigrated to the USA? If you can provide more detail we may be able to find records confirming the manifest above or another...

Names of either parent? State in which he lived? Spouse's name? Children? Any known birth dates, even a year can be useful.
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Re: Can not find records

Postby blackZ06 » 10 Nov 2009, 18:05

Thank you for your reply. The information I have is:

Nickola De Caro -----possibly spelled Dicar
Born; June 24, 1889
Born in Palermo
Fathers name; Guiseppi De Caro
Mothers name; Maria Fiducia
Alien registration #2438706
Sisters; Marie Cortemiglia, Conettina Lionetti
Brothers; Thomas, Joseph, Charlie De Caro
Social Security # 108-07-2676

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Postby vj » 10 Nov 2009, 18:11

Hello Vincent,
Do these records look correct?
His SS # was issued in NY?
Thank you!
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possible 1920 census

Home in 1920:
2247 Massachusetts, owns
Gary Ward 5, Lake, Indiana

head Nick Dicar 30, abt 1890
- immig 1906, Al
wife Rosie Dicar 27, abt 1893
- immig 1900(?)
son Joseph Dicar 8, abt 1912 IL
daughter Mary Dicar 6, abt 1914 IL
daughter Annie Dicar 5, abt 1915 IL
daughter Katherine Dicar 3 8/12, abt 1916 IN
son Alexander Dicar 2 9/12, abt 1917 IN
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possible 1917 WWI Draft Registration Card

Nicola Decaro 28
1830(?) Adams, Gary, Lake, IN
born 24 Jun 1889 in Corleone(?) Palermo IT
wife & 5 children

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Re: Can not find records

Postby blackZ06 » 10 Nov 2009, 18:35

I'll have to ask my sister on that one. She's older, and may remember more details. I know he was married before he met my mother, and he had other children.

Thank you, Vince

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Re: Can not find records

Postby vj » 10 Nov 2009, 18:41

You're very welcome Vince :D .
Where would your family have been in 1930?
Here are a few more possible records
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possible 1910 census

Home in 1910:
219 East 97th Street
Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York

head Joseph Decara 55, abt 1855 IT
- married 32 yrs, abt 1878
- immig 1904 Al
wife Mary Decara 52, abt 1858 IT
- 11 children born, 6 children living
- immig 1907
son Joseph Decara 23, abt 1887 IT
- immig 1906 Al
son Nicholas Decara 21, abt 1889 IT
- immig 1906 Al
son Charles Decara 17, abt 1893 IT
- immig 1907
daughter Mary Decara 14, abt 1896 IT
- immig 1904
son Tony Decara 11, abt 1899 IT
- immig 1906
daughter-in-law Grace Decara 23, abt 1887 IT
- widow
- immig 1907
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edit: added 1907 manifest
note: did not sail - names lined off

1907 manifest

25 Mar 1907, Citta Di Torino, Palermo to NY
lines 23-25

Andensia Fiducia 51, abt 1855
- last residence Corleone
- destination NY
- joining husband Giuseppe De Cara at 220 E 97th Street
- born in Corleone
Carlo De Cara 13, abt 1893
Saverio De Cara 8, abt 1898
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Nicolo De Cara/o travelling with his brother Giuseppe (Joseph), joining his father Giuseppe in NY

possible 1906 manifest

16 Jul 1906, SS Citta di Torino, Palermo to NY
lines 29-30

Giuseppe De Cara/o 21 (abt 1885)
- last residence Corleone
- destination NY NY
- joining father Giuseppe at 219 East 97th Street

Nicolo De Cara/o 17 (abt 1889)
- possible naturalization notation: 22-129851 9/28/42 (San Francisco)
- last residence Corleone
- destination NY NY
- joining father Giuseppe at 219 East 97th Street

edit: added
It appears that this is the correct ship manifest
The notation for San Francesco in 1942 would make sense

CA Death Index from rootsweb:

DECARO NICKOLA
birth: 06/24/1889
mother maiden: FIDUCIA
father surname:DECARO
death location: SAN FRANCISCO
date: 06/24/1951
SS#: 108-07-2676
age: 62 yrs

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some helpful search sites

Ellis Island Search:
http://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html

Manifest markings help:
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/occ/

and
If you haven’t used these, they may help you locate New York City records:

Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York:

NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records (1901-1907
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902 (requires ancestry. com subscription)
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

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Re: Can not find records

Postby blackZ06 » 10 Nov 2009, 19:02

Hi Valarie,
Here is a copy of my fathers Alien Registration.

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Re: Can not find records

Postby blackZ06 » 10 Nov 2009, 19:05

Sorry, I'm still learning how to use this forum.

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Re: Can not find records

Postby vj » 10 Nov 2009, 19:10

Vincent, it's not you :wink: .
Sometimes uploads to the forum don't work.
Many if us use imagshack (hosting service) to upload and then post the link
http://www.imageshack.us/
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Postby blackZ06 » 10 Nov 2009, 19:20

Thanks for the links, Valarie. I'll try them after lunch. I'm hungry, so I'll log off for now.
Thank you very much, Vince

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Re: Can not find records

Postby blackZ06 » 10 Nov 2009, 23:46

I'm trying to send a picture.

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Postby blackZ06 » 12 Nov 2009, 18:07

It's interesting that my father may have been from Corleone and not Palermo. I know Palermo is where the ship left from. I think the language difference may have contributed to misunderstanding and mistakes may on some of the documents my father singed when he arrived here in the US.

As to where he was in the 30's, I don't know, but he and my mom lived in San Francisco in 1942. My father met my mother in New York, and drove to California. My fathers alien ID says he was born in or near Palermo.

I'm going to try and see if I can find anything about him or his family in Corleone.

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Re: Can not find records

Postby pink67 » 12 Nov 2009, 18:30

It seems that in 1930 the family was in Ohio:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Nicholas Dicaro
Name: Nicholas Dicaro
Home in 1930: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
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Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nicholas Dicaro 40 born in IT
Rose Dicaro 36 born in IT
Joseph Dicaro 18 born in IL
Mary Dicaro 16 born in IL
Anna Dicaro 14 born in IL
Catherine Dicaro 13 born in IN
Alex Dicaro 12 born in IN

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Laura :D

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Re: Can not find records

Postby vj » 12 Nov 2009, 19:52

Laura :D ,
Great find!
Valarie

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Re: Can not find records

Postby blackZ06 » 13 Nov 2009, 18:47

WOW! You guys are amazing. Thank you for all that you are doing for me. :D
How do I find out about his family in Corleone, is it possible?
Thanks, Vince


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