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Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby fdevita » 13 Jan 2010, 18:17

Wow. What a great site. Scrolling through some posts indicates to me that there a lot of very helpful people here so I though I would just post my two dilemmas and see if anybody can suggest a course of action to me.

I started doing research a few months ago and have found a great many records suing Ancestry.com, the Castle Garden lists, and other sites. I have found Census records, ship manifests, naturalization papers, military papers, etc. It has been a great experience so far but I have run into two dead ends.

1 - I cannot find anything about my paternal great grandmother (Agnese?): Married to Silvio DeVita who remarried after my paternal great grandmother died (in Italy? abt 1896?). Silvio arrived USA aboard SS Nuestria 9/17/1890. Is naturalized 10/19/1890. Silvio and Agnese have Donato in March 1893. I have not found a 1900 census for either Silvio or Agnese and the next document is a 1902 Passport application in Naples showing Silvio returning to the US wife his son Donato and new wife Angelina and son Armondo. Fact: Silvio and Angelina from Calabritto and believed that Agnese was also. Any ideas??

2 - I cannot find passenger list for my maternal great grandmother, Caterina Guardino. Married to Diego Guardino. I have found census records but unable to locate ship manifest. Diego arrived Sept 20 1897 SS Britannia. Born march 25, 1859 in Sciacca and died Oct 12, 1930 in NY. Caterina born Aug 12, 1871 Sciacca and died Mar 14, 1951 NY. The census records indicate she arrived in 1910. Her maiden and married name were Guardino - they were 4th cousins. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance
Frank
Surnames:
Paternal - DeVita, Rocca, Gregorio and Senerchia.
Maternal - Guardino, Ferrier (Ferriere), and Scodes.
Yes only seven, 4th cousins married on mothers side.

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Postby carinthiangirl » 13 Jan 2010, 18:42

Silvio de Vita:
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/match ... &dwpdone=1
First Name: Silvio
Last Name: De Vita
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence: Calabritte
Date of Arrival: Sep 06, 1899
Age at Arrival: 32Y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Ems
Port of Departure: Gibraltar
Manifest Line Number: 0027
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First Name: Silvio
Last Name: De Vita
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence: Calabritto
Date of Arrival: Sep 09, 1902
Age at Arrival: 35y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Lombardia
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0011

looks like to be the same person

Caterina Guardino (13 hits):
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/match ... &dwpdone=1

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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby fdevita » 13 Jan 2010, 19:04

carinthiangirl,

Thanks

I have already reviewed all those Caterina's - not her.

Frank
Surnames:

Paternal - DeVita, Rocca, Gregorio and Senerchia.

Maternal - Guardino, Ferrier (Ferriere), and Scodes.

Yes only seven, 4th cousins married on mothers side.



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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby fdevita » 13 Jan 2010, 19:29

removed
Surnames:

Paternal - DeVita, Rocca, Gregorio and Senerchia.

Maternal - Guardino, Ferrier (Ferriere), and Scodes.

Yes only seven, 4th cousins married on mothers side.



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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2010, 21:55

fdevita wrote:... I cannot find anything about my paternal great grandmother (Agnese?):
Married to Silvio DeVita who remarried after my paternal great grandmother died (in Italy? abt 1896?).
Silvio arrived USA aboard SS Nuestria 9/17/1890. Is naturalized 10/19/1890.
Silvio and Agnese have Donato in March 1893.
I have not found a 1900 census for either Silvio or Agnese and the next document is a 1902 Passport application in Naples showing Silvio returning to the US wife his son Donato and new wife Angelina and son Armondo.
Fact: Silvio and Angelina from Calabritto and believed that Agnese was also.
Any ideas??...


Hi Frank!
Just for clarification
Is this the correct passport application for Silvio DeVita/o?
His 1900 census should be in Newark?
Thank you
Valarie

1902 passport application
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found Silvio's brother Alfonso living with his in-laws

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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby fdevita » 16 Jan 2010, 22:18

Yes Valerie

This is correct although not all the info on it is correct.

Silvio did not come over on in Aug 1888 - he came over in 1890 on the Nuestria. And Silvio did not stay consecutively from then until dec 1901 - he came back from Italy in sept 1899 on the Lombardia. Otherwise everything else seems to be correct.

thanks
Frank
Surnames:

Paternal - DeVita, Rocca, Gregorio and Senerchia.

Maternal - Guardino, Ferrier (Ferriere), and Scodes.

Yes only seven, 4th cousins married on mothers side.



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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby vj » 16 Jan 2010, 22:25

Thank you Frank

1)
I thought I saw another manifest
Have you tried writing to Calabritto for any records
It may help if you knew Agnese's maiden name - unless she traveled with Silvio, her ship manifest should be under her maiden name.

2)
I looked for the census for Caterina that indicated that she arrived in 1910.
The only census records I could find were for a Diego Guardino and Caterina where their children were born in the US before 1910.

Thank you, Valarie

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2)

Frank, this marriage record probably belongs to the same family whose census records indicate the children were born in the US before 1910, Caterina immig abt 1890
Could they be related to your family?
Valarie

from FamilySearch
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... esults.asp
an extratced marriage record

Marriage:
15 DEC 1892
Manhattan, New York, New York

Diego Guardino

Father: Alberto
Mother: Francesca Ciavencana


Caterina Guardino

Father: Pietro
Mother: Colageia Cuorero

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the same record from IGG

Name Marriage Date Marriage Certificate Number County

Guardino Diego Dec 15 1892 15865 (1892) Manhattan
Guardino Caterina Dec 15 1892 15865 (1892) Manhattan

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby fdevita » 17 Jan 2010, 16:59

Wow!

Thank you - that is them. I wish I could find evidence of Caterina Guardino coming to the states. I have the passenger list for Diego but am having a hard time finding the list for Caterina.

Thanks again!

all the best
Frank
Surnames:

Paternal - DeVita, Rocca, Gregorio and Senerchia.

Maternal - Guardino, Ferrier (Ferriere), and Scodes.

Yes only seven, 4th cousins married on mothers side.



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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby Tessa78 » 18 Jan 2010, 18:45

Is the following manifest among those you viewed? :?:

Caterina Guardino, age 32, domestic, married
SS. Spartan Prince, arriving Dec. 19, 1899, NY

from Sciacca, going to Mother-in-law (written in after "my allied Anna Sanfillipo, Elizabeth St.)

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad22 ... st1899.jpg

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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby Tessa78 » 18 Jan 2010, 18:52

Sorry... :oops:
Just realized that we're now looking for manifests prior to the marriage date of 1892.

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Postby Tessa78 » 18 Jan 2010, 18:59

Here is a possibility. These early manifests have very little information, but take a look...

SS Australia, Naples to New York, arriving Oct. 9, 1890
C. Guardino, age 24, dressmaker, born in Italy

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad22 ... st1890.jpg


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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby fdevita » 18 Jan 2010, 19:27

Thanks I had seen that one and that is not her. She will be abt 19 years old arriving in 1890. From all that I can find, it looks like she came over alone.

Caterina Guardino
Born: Dec 8, 1871 - most likely Sciacca, Italy (Sicily)
Died: Mar 14, 1951 - NY

I reviewed all I know about her with my relatives and 1 person mentioned that she thought she heard somewhere along the line that Caterina was born in the USA, but the 1910, 1920 and 1930 census each indicate that she came over from Italy in 1890, 1889, 1890 respectively.

Thanks again
Frank
Surnames:

Paternal - DeVita, Rocca, Gregorio and Senerchia.

Maternal - Guardino, Ferrier (Ferriere), and Scodes.

Yes only seven, 4th cousins married on mothers side.



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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby pink67 » 19 Jan 2010, 08:47

Just for references:

1900 United States Federal Census
about Diego Iaurdino
Name: Diego Iaurdino
[Diego Laurdino]
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 34
Birth Date: Aug 1863
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1888
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Catarina
Marriage Year: 1893
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Residence : New York City, New York, New York
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Diego Iaurdino 34 head, born in IT, immigr. year 1888, Naturalized, shoe maker
Catarina Iaurdino 27 wife, born in IT, immigr. year 1890
Alberto Iaurdino 5 son, born in NY
Francis Iaurdino 6 daughter, born in NY
Calocira Iaurdino 2 daughter, born in NY
Ignozio Correri 34 boarder
Geroluro Cuilla 16 boarder
Venanzo Catazaro 27 boarder

address: 87 Elizabeth street -

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1CqgqJ

From the marriage record that member VJ posted looks ike the correct lastname of Caterina's mother was Curreri, pretty common lastname in Sciacca...
I noticed that one of the "boarder" in the 1900 is Ignazio Curreri, possible he was Caterina's brother?

Maybe this 1913 arrival for a Calogera Curreri (maiden name) worth a look :D

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Calogera Curreri
Name: Calogera Curreri
Arrival Date: 1 Dec 1913
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Age: 64
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Berlin
Search Ship Database: View the Berlin in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Sicily
Line: 12
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2230
Birth Location: Sicily
Birth Location Other: seiacca
Page Number: 5

She stated she was joining her son S. Guardino in Brooklyn...

page 1:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsvPRzJ
page 2:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1CsmDi

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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby pink67 » 19 Jan 2010, 11:59

Another interesting arrival manifest:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Calogero Goardino Carsera
Name: Calogero Goardino Carsera Calogera Guardino Currera
Arrival Date: 12 Jul 1890
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: New York
Place of Origin: Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Stura
Search Ship Database: Search the Stura in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_551
List Number: 1002
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

Calogera (age 38, female) was travelling with her child:
figlio (son) Giuseppe age 17 (in a first time listed as Maschio [male] then corrected...?)
Maria (femmina = female) age 8
Stefano age 10 (maschio = male)

image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1CQV6S

Do you believe possible that Giuseppe was Giuseppa (female)? possible Caterina wasn't her real first name?
Just my thoughts... :)

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Re: Help finding Ship Manifest

Postby PeterTimber » 19 Jan 2010, 12:36

Why not conduct your research at www.italiangen.org/Default.htm and see what you can come up with. =Peter=
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