Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

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Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby rgmills25 » 09 Mar 2010, 22:09

I long ago gave up on finding out anything on my Italian ancestors but I've recently decided to pursue it again.

I don't have much information and I'll try to make what information I have precise and easy to understand

My ggGrandfathers American name was Adam Lawrence who settled in Dallas, TX. According to the 1930 census he was 49, so an estimated year of birth of 1881. His wife "Lena" and two children Bernnie and Rosie living with him. My gGrandmother, Mary, had already moved out and was already married.

I was told by my grandma that his Italian name was Adam DiLorenzo, even though Adam doesn't sound very Italian to me. So I'm unsure if it was acutally something different or not. She also tells me that her grandmothers name was Patricia DiGillio or something like that.

So I know that they departed from Palermo in 1904. My grandmother said that Patricia was pregnant with Mary during the trip and I know that Mary was born on January 23, 1905 in Plaquemines Parish, LA, even though I haven't seen a bc. She also said that once they arrived in Ellis Island, they went through Chicago on their way to Louisiana.

Hmm, lets see.... what else do you need to know. Obviously, I've already tried searching through the ellisisland site. I'm sure it's a classic case of a misspelling or a name change problem. I've tried figuring out which ships traveled Palermo to NY in 1904 but have hit dead ends that way too.

If anyone has any information that will help me find records for these people I would really appreciate it. I'm totally at a loss for where to look next.

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby VaDeb » 09 Mar 2010, 22:23

Here is the 1930 Census for reference:

Name: Adam Lawrence
Home in 1930: Dallas, Dallas, Texas
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Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Lena
Race: White

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1920 Census
Name: Andrew Lawrence
[Adam Lawman]
Home in 1920: Dallas Precinct 19, Dallas, Texas
Age: 39 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Petrina
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 573
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Lawrence 39
Petrina Lawrence 39
Man Lawrence 14
Brent Lawrence 10
Rose Lawrence 5

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby rgmills25 » 09 Mar 2010, 22:27

TY Deb

It also looks like that census says that their year of immigration was 1903 and not 1904.

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby VaDeb » 09 Mar 2010, 22:44

Did Adam end up in Chicago by the 1940? Is the name Mary Bruotts familiar? I am looking at WWII draft cards.

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Postby rgmills25 » 09 Mar 2010, 22:50

VaDeb wrote:Did Adam end up in Chicago by the 1940? Is the name Mary Bruotts familiar? I am looking at WWII draft cards.

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I have no idea where he went without asking my grandmother and I can't get a hold of her at the moment. But yes, that name is familiar. I don't know who she is, but when my grandmother originally was giving me information, I wrote down the name Mary Bert or Berts. Spelling is probably off.

TY again for your help

also, I think the Bernnie might be Bermie. The cursive had 3 humps instead of 2 sets of 2.

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby VaDeb » 09 Mar 2010, 22:58

This may be his WWII registration card then:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2168/wwiicard.jpg
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Perhaps someone can figure out his place of birth from what is written.

Name: Adam Lawrence
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1881
Birth Place: Kaltinenu
Residence: Chicago, Illinois
Race: White
Roll: 30955_165861

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby TinaC216 » 09 Mar 2010, 23:01

RG...

I am in the same boat...no pun intended...

First as much as our elders are great help..their memories or the ones they were "told" to remember don't always equal.

First thing I noticed was your gma name "Lena"
This was Americanized...and it shows on the census Deb posted
Her name was "petrina" My Gma was Franchesca which ended up "mary frances" go figure..my Mother is 70 and her name was something completely different as well

Another thing is I bet they came into New Orleans instead of Ellis Island
Because of the timing of the Birth of your Gma..Check those ship records

I am 100% Italian....I am trying to puzzle my family together with SEVERAL surnames...

My paternal side jjeezzzz I will NEVER figure it out. My maiden name I recently found out was NOT my family name...thanks Gpa
I am also getting conflicting reports on Villages (commune)..

Good Luck..I just started and I am now planning my trip to SLC

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby Biff83 » 09 Mar 2010, 23:41

Adam Lawrence Death Certificate
Father: Benedict (Benedetto?) Lawrence
Mother: Rosa (unknown)
Birthplace: Italy
DOB: 15 Feb 1879

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Postby vj » 09 Mar 2010, 23:59

Great idea Biff!
Also from the FafmilySearch Pilot
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsea ... html#start

1959 Death Certificate
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Name: Petrina Lawrence
Death date: 04 Feb 1959
Death place: Dallas, Dallas, Texas
Gender: Female
Race or color (on document): white
Age at death: 81 years
Estimated birth year:
Birth date: 19 Jul 1877
Birthplace: Sicily
Marital status: Widowed
Spouse's name:
Father's name: Joe Digiglio
Father's birthplace:
Mother's name: Maggie Rener
Mother's birthplace:
Occupation:
Residence: Dallas, Dallas, Texas
Cemetery name: Old Calvary Cemetery
Burial place: Dallas, Texas
Burial date: 06 Feb 1959
Additional relatives: X
Film number: 2115874
Digital GS number: 4166745
Image number: 594
Reference number: 7072
Collection: Texas Deaths, 1890-1976

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby rgmills25 » 10 Mar 2010, 01:18

Wow!!! Thank you everyone for all of your help so far. These are definitely the right death certificates. Boy it certainly helps to know what the right names are. :)

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby VaDeb » 10 Mar 2010, 02:10

We haven't found your Italian names yet. Just trying to gather the facts on the family and work backwards.

Based on the death cert, I do not believe the WW II draft card belongs to your ancestor. Doesn't look as if he was in Chicago and the DOB is wrong. Please confirm.

We need to find a 1910 census. Do you know where the family was in 1919? LA? Texas? or somewhere in between?

We also know the region of Italy - Sicily

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby rgmills25 » 10 Mar 2010, 02:18

My grandma was born in 1924. Her mom, Mary, marrying in 1923 when she was 18. Her younger siblings Bennie and Rosie that were listed on the 1930 census list Louisiana as their state of birth, so I think the family remained there until at least 1915. Tomorrow I'll either talk to my grandma or my great-aunt and ask if they know when the family moved to TX.

I tend to agree about the military records. I'll confirm tomorrow.

TY!!!

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Postby Biff83 » 10 Mar 2010, 02:19

"To dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands"

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby VaDeb » 10 Mar 2010, 03:14

Charles WWI draft card

Name: Charles Digiglio
County: Dallas
State: Texas
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1885
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1953035

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Re: Name chagnes and unkown ships. Help please!!!

Postby vj » 10 Mar 2010, 14:58

Di Giglio

Using Biff's death certificate finds,
Petrina's parents, Joe and Maggie Digiglio in 1930
(same address as Maggie's death certificate)

1930 census

Home in 1930
4827 Santa Fe Street GC & SF Rwy, owns $1000
Dallas, Dallas, TX

head Joe D Ggelio 82, abt 1848 IT
- married age 29, abt 1877
- immig 1896, Al
wife Mcke Ggelio 79, abt 1851 IT
- immig 1896 Al


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