looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

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looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby ceegee » 24 May 2010, 21:24

Hi,

I'm looking for a ships manifest listing for my grandfather. I was able to locate his Petition for Naturalization which lists his arrival on February 18th, 1905 on the vessel "Piemonte", departing Naples and arriving in NY, NY. The record is handwritten but I was able to verify that a ship by this name was in service and operating that route during this time frame.

My grandfather's name is Lorenzo Gigante. Born in Dec 1883, he would have been 24 years old and his final destination would probably be listed as Philadelphia.

I'm actually hoping the information on the manifest will reveal additional information to help me trace his lineage.

Ellisisland.org was a dead end. Can anyone provide any other ways to trace this info...or provide any suggestions at all?

Thanks,
Carol Gigante
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby vj » 24 May 2010, 21:41

Welcome to the forum Carol!
Here's a possible 1906 manifest

from ancestry. com
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2822/1906g.jpg

18 Mar 1906, SS Il Piemonte, Naploui to NY
(left 27 Feb)
line 15
name transcribed as Loreto Greante, could be Loreto Gi?ante
- 22 yrs old (abt 1884)
- married
- last residence Peschici(?), could be Peschici, province of Foggia, Puglia region
- destination Philadelphia
- joining brother-in-law Carlo D'Amato(?)

If this doesn't look correct we can keep looking!
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Unless there was a Certificate of Arrival with his naturalization paperwork showing that they had confirmed his ship manifest, it wasn't unusual for the actual date of arrival to be off by a year or so.
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for reference from footnote. com

1919 Declaration of Intention
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2008 ... ention.jpg

Publication Number: M1522
Publication Title: Naturalization Petitions for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, 1795-1930
Publisher: NARA
State: Pennsylvania
Court: US Circuit Court
Year: 1919
Date: 1919-11-12
Immigrant Full Name: Lorenzo Gigante
Document Type: Declaration of Intention
Home Country: Italy
Year Immigrated: 1905
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby ceegee » 24 May 2010, 22:45

Wow, that was fast. Yes, that's him! Thank you Valerie!!

I was actually hoping there would be a mention of parents or closest living relative as I've seen on other ship's manifests. I haven't been able to find any record of parents or siblings (I think he had a sister but not sure) anywhere. Maybe I should be looking for "Loreto" instead of Lorenzo...he must have had a very difficult to understand accent.
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby vj » 24 May 2010, 22:59

Carol,
I'm so glad we could find his record :D
Manifests after about 1907-1908 had two pages and contained a bit more information
It appears that he was probably born in Peschici according to his naturalization paperwork
You could write and request his birth information (there's no charge)
Valarie

address:

Comune di Peschici
Ufficio di Stato Civile
Piazza S. Pertini 1
71010 Peschici FG
ITALY

http://www.tuttitalia.it/puglia/53-peschici/

Italian form letter generator with instructions:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Or other helpful form letters:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tters.html
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http://www.nonsolocap.it/
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby Tessa78 » 24 May 2010, 23:25

Hi Carol and Valarie :-D

Maybe a possible sister? Line 16
Maria Giganti, 23, M, from Peschici, leaving sister Maria in Peschici, traveling to Baltimore to husband Pasquale Lamorica (sp?)
Traveling with her is a daughter Luigia, age 4.
PAGE !
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0016

PAGE 2
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0016

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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby Tessa78 » 24 May 2010, 23:55

1920 Census from Pennsylvania shows Lorenzo with wife, Grace, and sons Anthony and Nicholas (their immigration date of 1912)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9707 ... census.jpg

Using that information found manifest for Grazia D'Amato (crossed out and Gigante written) and her sons Antonio, 7, and Nicola, 5, traveling from Peschici. She leaves her father Matteo. Going to her husband Lorenzo Gigante.

Lines 5, 6, 7.
page 1
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7364 ... nifest.jpg

page 2
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2334 ... ifest2.jpg

Since you now know Lorenzo's wife's full name, you can write to the comune for which Valarie gave you the address above, and request their marriage record. On that record will appear the names of parents for both the bride and groom.

Just another way to get the information you seek :-)

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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby vj » 24 May 2010, 23:59

Hey T :D !
Neat records
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby Tessa78 » 25 May 2010, 00:00

Thanks Valarie :-)

Just piggy-backing on your tremendous finds!

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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby ceegee » 25 May 2010, 00:31

Thanks for this additional information Valerie. It's good to have the snail mail option and I'll be sure to use it once I've exhausted all online resources!
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby ceegee » 25 May 2010, 03:26

Oh my, I posted my reply too quickly!

Valerie and Tessa...thank you both! It's amazing how quickly you manage to uncover all these details!

The Ellis Island record is interesting. I've never heard of Maria, Luiga or Pasquale but I won't rule out a possible relationship completely. I remember hearing that Lorenzo had a sister but no one ever seemed to know anything about her.

So, if I plan to write a letter to the local official in Italy, would I be able to request multiple records at the same time (i.e. birth, marriage)?

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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby vj » 25 May 2010, 17:27

Hey Carol :D ,
Perhaps you could write several individual requests and put them in the same envelope?
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby vj » 25 May 2010, 17:36

Carol,
Here's another idea
You could (also) review the microfilmed vital records for your comune
(please excuse the length of this post)
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Your nearest Family History Center can order records for Peschici on microfilm.
The cost is about $6 mo (rent), you’ll need to go to the center to order & view them.

Topic:
Italy, Foggia, Peschici
Civil registration

Titles:
Registri dello stato civile di Peschici (Foggia)
1809-1929 Peschici (Foggia)
Ufficio dello stato civile


film notes for Peschici:
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Italian Record Research from FamilySearch guides:
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby ceegee » 25 May 2010, 18:34

Valerie, thank you! This is a great alternative to waiting for a reply from Italy. I made a note of the microfilms I'll need and there are a few Research Centers nearby so this should be very productive. My only concern is the challenge of sifting through all the original records in Italian...
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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby gigante » 29 Aug 2010, 02:35

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Re: looking for ships manifest Piemonte Naples to NY 1905

Postby ceegee » 29 Aug 2010, 12:45

Sorry...as far as I know there is no Matteo Gigante on my tree. Matteo appears in the D'Amato branch of my tree.

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