I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

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I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

Postby sforza » 09 Jul 2010, 17:55

I'm hoping to avail myself of your knowledge, experiences and any do-it-yourself shortcuts you're all aware of:
1. Does anybody know of reliable form language for a request to Italy for the long-form of my great grandparents' birth and marriage certificates? I'd prefer to do it myself rather than hire a translator.
2. In terms of the naturalization research, how much of this can I do online? I understand I need to consult four sources to verify, in my case, my never naturalized great grandfather: the local court in the county where he lived; a census report after the birth of his son, my grandfather - can I just download this from ancestry? Also, a "none found" record from NARA - by the way, I'm in DC - will this help me? and a "non found" record from US naturalization service.
3. My grandfather's name will be different on his birth certificate than on his death certificate, as it was anglicized after he was born. I don't think this was done in any legal capacity, but rather informally. Will this be a problem?
4. Under Italian law, would my spouse also be eligible for Italian citizenship based on his marriage to me?

Thank you so much in advance for your response(s), and apologies in advance if any of this had been shared in previous posts. My search yielded hundreds of posts....

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Re: I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

Postby johnnyonthespot » 09 Jul 2010, 18:29

1) Tips on writing letters in Italian:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... /index.asp
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tter3.html
http://italiangenealogy.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=15162/

2) National Archives: General info: http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/natur ... ation.html

To order, go to https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonl ... chives.gov

Click "Order Reproductions", then "Immigration and Naturalization Records". On the next page, click "Naturalization Records" and on the next page, use the dropdown "Select a Delivery Format" to select "Certified Paper Copy". If they don't find anything, they will send a letter to that effect.


USCIS: Start here http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/ ... 18190aRCRD and click on the "Make a Genealogy Request" link on the right. Once you receive the no records found letter, you will need to send it to another office for a certification.

For your census reports (your other post?) you will need to order certified copies from the National Archives. Same procedure as above. You cannot simply print the ancestry . com version.

3) You will get the most leniency regarding discrepancies on death certificates. No one even knows for certainwhy the consulate wants them, other than to prove that your ancestor is deceased and thus cannot "speak for himself" regarding your application.

4) If you are the husband and you and your wife married prior to April 27, 1983, then she will automatically gain Italian citizenship the moment your own has been recognized. This only works for woman marries Italian male, not the other way around (man marries Italian woman). If the latter or if you married on or after that date, than your spouse will have to apply for citizenship jure matrimonio - a longer and more expensive (there is a Euro 200 application fee) process. See http://www.consnewyork.esteri.it/NR/exe ... =Published
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Re: I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

Postby sforza » 09 Jul 2010, 18:42

Many thanks, Carmine.

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Re: I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

Postby rgaetano » 13 Jul 2010, 13:29

johnnyonthespot wrote:2) National Archives: General info: http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/natur ... ation.html

To order, go to https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonl ... chives.gov

Click "Order Reproductions", then "Immigration and Naturalization Records". On the next page, click "Naturalization Records" and on the next page, use the dropdown "Select a Delivery Format" to select "Certified Paper Copy". If they don't find anything, they will send a letter to that effect.



My GGF never naturalized. I requested a search for his files through the USCIS (they are backed up a few months), but I'm confused how you can also use NARA to do this- it says I need his petition number to request a copy of his records (which would yield a no records) - so since he never naturalized, how can I use NARA to get a "no records found" (because I can't submit the form due to lack of petition number)

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Re: I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

Postby johnnyonthespot » 13 Jul 2010, 14:17

rgaetano wrote:My GGF never naturalized. I requested a search for his files through the USCIS (they are backed up a few months), but I'm confused how you can also use NARA to do this- it says I need his petition number to request a copy of his records (which would yield a no records) - so since he never naturalized, how can I use NARA to get a "no records found" (because I can't submit the form due to lack of petition number)


Most consulates now require multiple layers of proof in cases of non-naturalization. These will include letters from USICS, NARA, and the local courts from each area in which your ancestor is known to have resided. We have at least a few members here who have gone through h-e-double hockey sticks trying to satisfy consulate requirements in this regard. Here is but one of several threads on the subject: http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Foru ... 15627.html


For the NARA order form, you bascially fill in the information you do have - ancestor's name(s), birth place/date, residence in the US, etc. You should be as complete as possible so that the resulting "no records found" letter will indicate that a thourough search was made based on all available detail.
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Re: I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

Postby rgaetano » 13 Jul 2010, 15:40

ciao Carmine,

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? I've attached a screen cap of the form that I am looking at. It says the petition number is required to process the order. In addition, if you select NYS, it only offers 5 cities to choose from?

I was actually planning on going to NARA in NYC this week to get certified copies of the 1920 and 1930 census, which shows he was still "Al" after having all his children (my GF) so maybe I can ask someone there to start a search for his (lack of) naturalization records?

Has anyone had any experience walking into the NYC NARA and walking out with certified documents that same day?

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Re: I'm starting the process of dual citizenship and

Postby johnnyonthespot » 13 Jul 2010, 16:32

It's been a long time since I was did this but I know that I did not have that information at the time I tried a NARA search. If you can't leave it blank, try putting a nonsense number in that field, say "99999" or some such.

Then explain yourself in the Comments section.
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