Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

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Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby Derose05 » 05 Sep 2010, 07:29

I have been doing some research (ancestry.com) on my Italian side of the family tree, and i have discovered that my Great grandfather was born in Italy. I then did a few searches and discovered that i could get a dual citizenship if i could prove my grandfather was born in America before my great grandfather (Ralph Angelo DeRose; Nov 25, 1883 in Carolei, Calabra Italy) became nationalized.

The problem I have run into, is that I found a 1920 census that said he was an "alien", but i cant find a date as to when he became a US citizen and renounced being Italian. I should note my grandfather was born June 7, 1920 (Anthony Francis DeRose; cook county, Illinois). Does anyone have any idea or suggestions as to where i can look next?

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2010, 08:30

Hi Mike :D

have you noticed that on the military Draft card for the WW1 Ralph (September 12, 1918) stated he was already naturalized?

from Ancestry.com:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Raphael Derose
Name: Raphael Derose
City: Chicago
County: Cook
State: Illinois
Birth Date: 25 Nov 1883
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1503822
DraftBoard: 43
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http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx6GpGS

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2010, 08:43

Mike,
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looks like that your great-grandfather Ralph De Rosa was naturalized on 1905 in Pennsylvania - Washington County...
Look at this document:

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pqwx0v9

it's a birth certificate correction for Anthony De Rose...
Is this Birth certificate correct?

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby Derose05 » 05 Sep 2010, 08:44

yea i was the one that linked those two. I'm not sure thats even him 100 percent. I found another ralph or raffaele, or raphael that was born on the same day with the same named wife, that is not him. I added that to the ancestry page, more for a just in case. I also spoke with my great aunt and she said that her parents (both my great grandfather and great grandmother) didnt become citizens till the middle of the 20's. She seems to believe that they had a petition of intent. Im not sure if that makes a difference or not. :) I guess all i can do is keep looking for the actual record, making it official.

thanks for the help!

updated**
just saw your new post. That seems to make sense then. Poo. Can I still get dual citizenship through my grandmother? Fingers crossed

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2010, 08:45

this is the original birth certificate:

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx6H7Ar


I found them on the free site:
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/rec ... html#start

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2010, 08:48

I'm not expert about citizenship but there are several member here that are.... I believe that later you'll have the answer :D

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby Derose05 » 05 Sep 2010, 08:52

I guess ill wait to see if someone knows then.

Thanks again for your help!!!!! : )

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2010, 08:56

Do you have this document?

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Raffaele Derose
Name: Raffaele Derose
Birth Date: 25 Nov 1883
Birth Place: Carvlei, Prov Cosenzar, Italy
Residence: New York, NY
Passport Issue Date: 1 Feb 1908
Passport Includes a Photo: N
Source: Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925 (M1490)

again he stated he was naturalized before the common Pleas Court of Pennsylvania at Washington county on 14 december 1905

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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby suanj » 05 Sep 2010, 09:40

Ralph was naturalized (1905) before of Anthony son birth (1920); so Ralph no transmited the italian citizenship to son....
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Re: Running into a dead end on US Naturalization date

Postby mler » 05 Sep 2010, 12:55

. . .and unfortunately you do not qualify for citizenship through three-year residency because your Italian ancestor is beyond the second degree.


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