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How important is this document?

Postby Insegnante » 30 Sep 2010, 15:38

Hi everyone! What a great site!

Quick question:

I have been gathering documents for dual citizenship.
The ONLY document I have been unable to get is my grandfather/grandmother's marriage document.

I am applying through this line -
Me - born in US after 1948
Mother - born in US
Grandfather - born in Italy, naturalized 16 years after my mother's birth.

Do I absolutely need this document?

Thanks for any help or insight you can provide :-D

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 30 Sep 2010, 15:47

Where was your grandfather born?

Do you know with certainty where and when he married?
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Postby johnnyonthespot » 30 Sep 2010, 15:54

Oh, getting back to your question: there is nothing in jus sanguinis citizenship which requires that you or anyone in your lineage be a "legitimate" child, only that you can unequivocally trace yourself back to an Italian citizen. Nevertheless, the consulates do collect marriage certificates.

You may or may not be able to get a pass on this missing document.

Do you know where your grandmother was born?
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Postby Insegnante » 30 Sep 2010, 16:00

My grandfather and grandmother were both born in Strongoli, Calabria.
I have both of their birth certificates.

They were married in 1924.

We thought they were married in NYC, but there is NO record there.

There is no chance they were married in Italy because my GM was 2 years old when she immigrated in 1905, and my GF was 19 when he immigrated in 1910.

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Postby ricbru » 30 Sep 2010, 16:02

Hello,
yes, you do need all the documents required to apply, with no discrepancies at all, all the documents having discrepancies, can be amended, following the way stated to the country/state where the document was issued, I hope it helps, bye Riccardo

Insegnante wrote:Hi everyone! What a great site!

Quick question:

I have been gathering documents for dual citizenship.
The ONLY document I have been unable to get is my grandfather/grandmother's marriage document.

I am applying through this line -
Me - born in US after 1948
Mother - born in US
Grandfather - born in Italy, naturalized 16 years after my mother's birth.

Do I absolutely need this document?

Thanks for any help or insight you can provide :-D

Chris

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Postby Insegnante » 30 Sep 2010, 16:05

Thank you Riccardo :-)

How would I go about getting documentation for their marriage? Any suggestions?
I have spent $$$ having searches done in NYC Municipal Archives from 1922-1926. No luck.
According to my GF Declaration of Intent and Petition for Naturalization, they were married September 24, 1924 in Brooklyn, NY.


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Postby johnnyonthespot » 30 Sep 2010, 16:09

Insegnante wrote:My grandfather and grandmother were both born in Strongoli, Calabria.
I have both of their birth certificates.

They were married in 1924.

We thought they were married in NYC, but there is NO record there.

There is no chance they were married in Italy because my GM was 2 years old when she immigrated in 1905, and my GF was 19 when he immigrated in 1910.

Chris


Would you mind telling us their names?
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Postby ricbru » 30 Sep 2010, 16:12

Hello,
I dont know where it would be kept in NYC, because I live and work in Italy. Since they were born both in Strongoli, maybe (I say maybe) they filed their marriage record at Strongoli civil record office?
But we should know when it was done, if ever done.
I hope it helps
bye Riccardo

Insegnante wrote:My grandfather and grandmother were both born in Strongoli, Calabria.
I have both of their birth certificates.

They were married in 1924.

We thought they were married in NYC, but there is NO record there.

There is no chance they were married in Italy because my GM was 2 years old when she immigrated in 1905, and my GF was 19 when he immigrated in 1910.

Chris

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Postby Insegnante » 30 Sep 2010, 16:14

Not at all :-)

She was Regina Bompignano (sometimes spelled Pompignano, Papiano).
He was Eugenio Casanova.

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Postby Insegnante » 30 Sep 2010, 16:16

Hello Riccardo :-)

Would the record in Strongoli be noted on their birth records?
I ask because I have their BRs and there is no notation on either one. :-(

Or would this be a separate record?

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Postby ricbru » 30 Sep 2010, 16:16

At least, you can always look for it, in some parishes of Brooklyn, I know Brooklyn is big, but at least, it is worth, you can start with catholich parishes, it is just an idea
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Postby ricbru » 30 Sep 2010, 16:19

Well, sometimes italian registrar put the annotation on the birth record, sometimes not, it should be written on the birth records if any, I suggest you to contact Strongoli civil record office, and ask if their marriage records that took place in Brooklyn was filed there.
If it was filed there, they can issued a certificate for you
I hope it helps
bye Riccardo

Insegnante wrote:Hello Riccardo :-)

Would the record in Strongoli be noted on their birth records?
I ask because I have their BRs and there is no notation on either one. :-(

Or would this be a separate record?

Chris

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Postby Insegnante » 30 Sep 2010, 16:22

Yes, I will do that. It's a good suggestion :-) writing to Strongoli again.
Thanks.

As for the parishes in Brooklyn, there are/were sooo many!
I have been trying to narrow down the possibilities based on the census records I have. I have written to a few, but they haven't responded. Others have been helpful, but do not have the record.

But I keep trying :-)

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Postby ricbru » 30 Sep 2010, 16:23

you are welcome, happy to help you,
good luck
ciao Riccardo

Insegnante wrote:Yes, I will do that. It's a good suggestion :-)
Thanks.

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Re: How important is this document?

Postby Insegnante » 30 Sep 2010, 16:30

So the bottom line is -

If I don't get a copy of their marriage record, no dual citizenship, right?

Because, even though there is no record of my GM ever naturalizing, or her mother before her, I still don't have the marriage record for her. :-(

Chris


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