I Need Help Analyzing My Info

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I Need Help Analyzing My Info

Postby jennabet » 23 Oct 2010, 01:27

Here is the data:

Father Angelo -- Arrives alone 1900 on Ship Trojan Prince to visit his wife's brother in Pennsylvania

Angelo's Wife and kids (including son Frank age 9) -- Arrive 1902 on ship "Sardegna" to visit husband and father

Father Angelo files Declaration in Cameron County, PA -- 1903. Cameron County Prothonotary has nothing else on Father Angelo or Son Frank. USCIS says both of them never naturalized.

Son Frank now age 22, signs WW One draft card, Lists himself as ALIEN

Son Frank now married and age 26, files 1920 Census. Lists himself as Naturalized. Cannot read or write. Gives immigration date as 1900 (same as father -- but this is not true). Frank arrived in 1902.

Father Angelo files 1920 Census, lists himself as immigrating in 1900 and Naturalized in 1913. Still cannot read or write. In 1913, son Frank was 19. Why did he tell draft board at age 22 that he was an Alien? Who is lying?

Son Frank dies in 1926 at age 31 in Niagara Falls.

Father Angelo files 1930 Census. Says he's naturalized (1913) and gives conflicting immigration date of 1892. This is not true. He arrived in 1900.

I am now stuck. Since Frank died in 1926 at age 31, where do I go from here. Did his father naturalize or not? Did Frank obtain citizenship through his father or did Frank file himself? If so, where do I find the records. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

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Re: I Need Help Analyzing My Info

Postby suanj » 23 Oct 2010, 14:00

Hi,
by that :
WWI Civilian Draft Registrations
about Angelo Perry Name: Perry, Angelo
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1874
Birth Place: Naturalized Citizen
City/County: Cameron
State: PA
Ethnicity: W

seeming naturalized...
always the same record:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Angelo Perry Name: Angelo Perry
County: Cameron
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1874
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1877831
DraftBoard: 0

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Postby jennabet » 23 Oct 2010, 19:04

Angelo Perri's birthdate is February 2, 1870 -- not 1874. Someone in the Perri family started ancestry work on the family but dates are mostly incorrect because I have verified the birth-dates from the Comune in Italy. I think Ancestry.com must have a lot of mis-information.

On the 1920 Census, Angelo Perri lists himself as Naturalized in 1913. There IS some pertinent information for him in 1913. But I don't think it means he's naturalized. It is an "Admitted" number and it has two witnesses.

Witnesses W.R. Sizer Merchant Emporium, PA
C.R. Husted Clerk Emporium, PA
Admitted August 4, 1913 - #405951

Can anyone tell me for sure? Is "Admitted August 4, 1913 #405951 a Naturalization record or is it a stamp that was perhaps in his passport?

His son, Frank, age 22, lists himself as an ALIEN on his draft registration in 1917.

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Postby suanj » 23 Oct 2010, 19:10

I know not the exact birthyear of your ancestor, just I posted the WWI Civilian Draft Registrations and WWI Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
abt the only Angelo Perry/Perri, Italian, in Cameron Co, PA..
honestly seemed to me your ancestor...
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Re: I Need Help Analyzing My Info

Postby jennabet » 23 Oct 2010, 19:29

Hi suanj, grazie per tua aiuta. Spero tutte bene a Molise. Io conosco Molise.

Yes, the man you listed is the Great-Grandfather but his birth year is incorrect. If you look at the 1917-1918 draft record for his son, Frank Perry, you will see that he says he's an Alien.

Frank Perry is the Grand-father and the ancestor I need to know about.

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Postby suanj » 23 Oct 2010, 19:53

maybe he declared the incorrect birthyear.. I agree that he was born in 1870... many records of italian immigrants in USA having discrepance abt birthdate; sometimes very different (also of many years)from true birthdate as resulting in civil records of italian birthplace... however the your ancestor birthdate in this your problem, have no importance, because my concern was abt naturalization, and your ancestor declaring itself naturalized; the son in WWI draft registration card declared itself alien; in 1920 census instead declaring naturalized...... father Angelo always declaring naturalized... the USCIS no found the naturalization for both... frankly is a mystery...
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Re: I Need Help Analyzing My Info

Postby mler » 24 Oct 2010, 23:45

I'm not positive about this, but I'm pretty sure that "admitted" means "naturalized." I just check my records, and on my grandfather's oath, the words "Admitted . . . ." were written across the page. It is the same date as the oath and naturalization certificate. Could that number you found be a certifcate number?

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Postby jennabet » 25 Oct 2010, 18:24

Mler, I'm beginning to think you're correct because it also lists all the names and birthdates of the children and their place of residence and it includes two witnesses. Per example:
Witnesses:
W.R. Sizer -- Merchant Emporium, PA
C.R. Hused -- Clerk Emporium, PA
Admitted August 4, 1913 - # 405951
If #405951 were an immigration entry number (in the passport), as someone preivously suggested here, I don't think the entry would have been witnessed by a local Merchant and a Clerk.


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