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Postby JavaisLife » 09 Nov 2010, 13:55

Hi all -

I'm in need of some assistance. I had my appointment back on the 10th of Sept. ... and my younger brother is applying next month (and I'm putting his application together - aren't I just swell).

I'm still waiting on my own application to be approved. ... and the *item they are fact checking is my GGF first marriage. I am aware that my brother will run into the same item of question.

I went to the County Clerk to find a divorce certificate from the 1908-1925, for my GGF and GGM.

Giuseppe Frattolillo
Mary Maffia

The family dinner time storys state that they never divorced, and I could not find record of a divorce when I shelled out $100 for each burrow (minus Bronx) in Manhattan to look for their files.

or the death certificate for my GGM
Mary Maffia - died I believe in NYC, but there were rumors that she lived in Pitsburgh for a few years, so it's possible she could have died there (this woman is a ghost!).

Could someone help assist me in finding her Death Certificate?

TY,
Marie

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Re: Need assistance: Death/Divorce Certificate Search

Postby Tessa78 » 09 Nov 2010, 14:25

Hello Marie :-)

Do you have an approx. year of birth for Mary?

Were they married in NYC?

Have found a listing for Mary Fratolillo in Social Security Death Index
Born 1890
Died 1982 in Quincy, MA

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Re: Need assistance: Death/Divorce Certificate Search

Postby JavaisLife » 09 Nov 2010, 14:36

Hi Tessa!

Thank you for such a quick response.

Mary Maffia was born est.. 1886 - 1889 in NYC
Parents: Frank and Mary Maffia

She was married to my GGF in 1904 and listed as 18yrs old.
On my GF birth certificate she's listed as 1905 she's listed as 16 yrs old.

I'm not sure if she went to MA - but it's worth a look. Does the information provide place of birth?

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M

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Re: Need assistance: Death/Divorce Certificate Search

Postby JavaisLife » 09 Nov 2010, 14:39

Yes, they were married in 1904 in NYC.

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Postby Tessa78 » 09 Nov 2010, 14:43

No place of birth on this listing, but you can send for her SS application (it costs $27), at this site... If you think it's worth a look...

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi= ... t/main.jsp

Social Security Death Index
about Mary Fratolillo
Name: Mary Fratolillo
SSN: 018-24-4339
Last Residence: 02169 Quincy, Norfolk, Massachusetts, United States of America
Born: 10 May 1890
Died: Sep 1982
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (Before 1951)



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Re: Need assistance: Death/Divorce Certificate Search

Postby Tessa78 » 09 Nov 2010, 15:02

Marie,
Could you provide names of children born, please?
Looking for 1910 Census to get more info about Mary...

T.

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Postby Tessa78 » 09 Nov 2010, 15:11

Tessa78 wrote:No place of birth on this listing, but you can send for her SS application (it costs $27), at this site... If you think it's worth a look...

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi= ... t/main.jsp

Social Security Death Index
about Mary Fratolillo
Name: Mary Fratolillo
SSN: 018-24-4339
Last Residence: 02169 Quincy, Norfolk, Massachusetts, United States of America
Born: 10 May 1890
Died: Sep 1982
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (Before 1951)
T.


Don't think this is your Mary - First name of the above deceased is actually Felicia... see below... same person

Massachusetts Death Index, 1970-2003
about Felicia M Fratolillo
Name: Felicia M Fratolillo
Certificate: 042847
Death Place: Quincy
Death Date: 21 Sep 1982
Birth Date: 10 May 1890

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Re: Need assistance: Death/Divorce Certificate Search

Postby Tessa78 » 09 Nov 2010, 15:17

Possibility from NYC death index... (at this site www.italiangen.org ) FREE

Maffia Maria 61 y May 2 1939 10393 Manhattan

Age is about right...born approx. 1888

You can request this at
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vi ... eath.shtml

T.

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Re: Need assistance: Death/Divorce Certificate Search

Postby JavaisLife » 09 Nov 2010, 17:55

'Maffia Maria 61 y May 2 1939 10393 Manhattan
Age is about right...born approx. 1888
You can request this at
www.nyc.gov/html/recor...eath.shtml"

This record sounds good - Thank you! I'll try it.

- M

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Re: Need assistance: Death/Divorce Certificate Search

Postby JavaisLife » 09 Jan 2011, 13:52

Hi All -

I am still trying to locate my GGM birth certificate:

Mary Maffia was born est.. 1886 - 1889 in NYC
Parents: Frank and Mary Maffia

She was married to my GGF in 1904 and listed as 18yrs old.
On my GF birth certificate she's listed as 1905 she's listed as 16 yrs old.

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Re: Need assistance: Birth/Death Certificate Search

Postby KarenChristino » 10 Jan 2011, 01:21

Javais,

I assume that you checked the online databases on ancestry.com, italiangen.org, etc. and sent a search request to the NYC Municipal Archives for the birth record. Maybe someone with a subscription can check the Census records online to get a better idea of when she might be born. Of course, if you find the death record everything will be easier!

You can also request the 1886-1889 B.C. microfilms (both the indexes and certificates) from the Family History Library and go through them yourself. You'll take more time and be more aware of any discrepancies than anyone else would and might turn something up that way.

After you exhaust the online death certificate possibilities you can call the Catholic Cemeteries. For NYC: http://www.cathcemetery-bklyn.org/pages.php?page=11 There are not many of them. (Online they say they charge for a search, but when I called one direct they just looked it up for me.) You can check these out for Pittsburgh: http://www.imortuary.com/cemeteries/pen ... sburgh.php (The Pittsburgh Cemeteries Ass'n was all over the web, but I didn't want to post that as I saw a complaint about them.) They will give you a date of death and probably have the certificate number. And then once you have that you may have a better shot at the birth record.

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Postby JavaisLife » 12 Jan 2011, 03:12

I think this maybe her. ... is there any way I can view this certificate online?

I just spent the last few hrs on Ancestry.com and switched Mary to Maria and came up w/ the below information:

Maria C. Maffia 28 Sep 1891 certificate # 38573

There were no images associated w/ the file - is there another place I can search online so I can perhaps view the image?

Cheers,
Marie

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Re: Need assistance: Birth/Death Certificate Search

Postby KarenChristino » 15 Jan 2011, 02:13

I don't think you can view these online -- usually they just have the indices.

You can order up the microfilm from the Family History Library, and check it out yourself to see if it's really her. I think the microfilm is Birth Certificates New York City 1866-1897 with catalog #1322238. (I recently ordered this but I'd double check to be sure -- I am having a lot of trouble using their new online catalog!)

Or take your chances and order the certificate directly from the Municipal Archives http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vi ... irth.shtml
(I have wasted a lot of money this way!)

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Re: Need assistance: Birth/Death Certificate Search

Postby maestra36 » 15 Jan 2011, 03:10

From the family search beta website:

Name: Maria Cristina Maffia
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1891
Birthplace: Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Pasquale Maffia
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Carmela Maffia
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00166-6
System Origin: New_York-ODM
Source Film Number: 1322252
Reference Number:


JavaisLife wrote:I think this maybe her. ... is there any way I can view this certificate online?

I just spent the last few hrs on <a href="http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-3166187-10456885" TARGET="_blank">Ancestry.com</a> and switched Mary to Maria and came up w/ the below information:

Maria C. Maffia 28 Sep 1891 certificate # 38573

There were no images associated w/ the file - is there another place I can search online so I can perhaps view the image?

Cheers,
Marie

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Re: Need assistance: Birth/Death Certificate Search

Postby maestra36 » 15 Jan 2011, 03:15

From the parents' names above, you can tell that the date and certificate # you found is not for your Mary Maffia, as it has the wrong parents.


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