Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni?

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Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni?

Postby Lodato3 » 08 Jan 2011, 01:02

an ellisisland record states my great great grandparents were from Cava T.

I searched Italian towns and came across Cava Di Tirreni, Salerno, Italy

is this the location they are talking about in the record?

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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Jan 2011, 01:11

Hi and welcome! :-)

That would be my guess, too :-)

But here is a link to all the frazioni (villages) with "Cava" in the name...
See if something else makes sense to you.

http://www.italyworldclub.com/8000_ital ... _casto.htm

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Postby Lodato3 » 08 Jan 2011, 02:33

thanks....so now how do I go about finding relatives that were from there?

im signed up on ancestry.com but im having trouble searching Italian records

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Postby Tessa78 » 08 Jan 2011, 02:41

Are you subscribed to the World Deluxe version? Need that to do international searches.

That being said, not all comunes are available on Ancestry...
Go to the SEARCH button on Ancestry and on the drop-down menu choose "Card Catalog"
Put "Italy" in the title and all of the locations for records will be listed on the right... see if the place you are looking for is there...

If you post names, dates, etc. maybe I can help... :-)

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Lodato in Cava Di Tirreni?

Postby Lodato3 » 08 Jan 2011, 02:58

yes im signed up for world deluxe

Antonio Lodato
Born ~1871
Immigration - Apr 17 1906 to NY
- Port: Napoli
- Ship: Citta di Genova
- Last Res: Cava T (Cava Dei Tirreni)
Naturalized - 1916
Eventually Lived in Newark, NJ
Was already married to Antonett Rispoli in Italy
She was (born ~1871)(immigration 1911)

their kids also born in Italy

I also tried searching their names in Italian...im stuck :(
If I could find his Naturalization document that would help me or their marriage doc...anything really

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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Jan 2011, 03:44

While you are trying to search online, why not write directly to the comune to request birth record for Antonio.

Address:
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Roma
84013 Cava dei Tirreni (SA)
ITALY

Write in Italian
Form letters and instructions here...
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... talrecords

If he and Antonetta were married in this town, you can request his marriage record as well :-)

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Postby Tessa78 » 08 Jan 2011, 03:56

There are presently 7 listings in the Italian phone book for Lodato in Cava De Tirreni...

http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... ei+tirreni

You might consider writing to one, two or more of these people to inquire about possibile relatives...

Letter to potential relative in Italian...
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... #relatives

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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby Lodato3 » 08 Jan 2011, 05:12

wow thank you very much Tessa78

Ill give those a try and see what I can come up with.

I pretty much know that John Lodato was born in that town, not 100% if his parents were? Are there any census records for this town?

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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby Lodato3 » 08 Jan 2011, 06:17

I used google map to check the locations of those 7 phone #s, 1 seems to be a market, 2 are car dealers, 1 looked like an empty lot?

So I looked up Lodato in Italian and it means praised.

not sure if those are actual Lodato's or what

I'll start by writing a letter to the commune I guess

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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby johnnyonthespot » 08 Jan 2011, 12:00

Lodato3 wrote:wow thank you very much Tessa78

Ill give those a try and see what I can come up with.

I pretty much know that John Lodato was born in that town, not 100% if his parents were? Are there any census records for this town?


People didn't move around much in those days when travel was mostly on horseback or horse/ox drawn cart. It will take me awhile to find the actual reference, but I recall reading some time ago that prior to the dawn of the 20th century, most people never traveled more than 15 miles from their place of birth in their entire lives.

If your ancestor was born in a smaller comune, it is likely that his parents, grandparents, great- and great-great grandparents were born there as well. If he was born in a large city such as Naples or Rome, then it is likely that his family originated in one of the surrounding comuni.

The subject of Italian censuses comes up here often; the short answer is that if you can find them at all, there is generally no useful information. Typically just head-of-household, number of other persons living there, number of horses, pigs, goats, etc (the census was used for tax purposes more than anything else). Churches , however, maintained their own "census" of sorts to keep track of the parishoners and thier families. These records can be very helpful but difficult to read and difficult to get hold of.
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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby johnnyonthespot » 08 Jan 2011, 12:10

Lodato3 wrote:I used google map to check the locations of those 7 phone #s, 1 seems to be a market, 2 are car dealers, 1 looked like an empty lot?

So I looked up Lodato in Italian and it means praised.

not sure if those are actual Lodato's or what

I'll start by writing a letter to the commune I guess


Six of the seven listings are indeed persons ( http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... to&dv=Cava De' Tirreni Zona Asi Cava Dei Tirreni&of=28700&btt=1&om=0 )

Google maps does not always have a good grasp of street numbers, even for communities here in the US.
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Postby johnnyonthespot » 08 Jan 2011, 12:18

Tessa78 wrote:Are you subscribed to the World Deluxe version? Need that to do international searches.


Based on a thread here many months back, I found that you do not need World Deluxe if all you are interested in is US and Italian records.

Instead, after creating your US account, go to the ancestry . it site (you can use the google translated version for reference) and sign up for the "Italy only" version for just €9,95 per year. You can even use the same username/password/billing info as on your US account.
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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby Lodato3 » 08 Jan 2011, 19:32

johnnyonthespot wrote:
Tessa78 wrote:Are you subscribed to the World Deluxe version? Need that to do international searches.


Based on a thread here many months back, I found that you do not need World Deluxe if all you are interested in is US and Italian records.



it was 30% off....i choose the monthly, and they said it would only be $20 a month for next 3 months. I will only stick with this month tho.

plus i have family from Italy, Ireland, Scotland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia...
so the world records are at least helpful for the irish and scottish sides.

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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby Lodato3 » 09 Jan 2011, 04:48

Im trying to figure out how to write a letter to the comune, ill post up what Im going to write to see if it makes sense.

how to I go about paying them for the documents? do I throw in some euro for postage back? and wait to see if they come up with any documents and a cost?

and Tessa, how come when I address the comune...its to Piazza Roma? and not cava di tirreni?

Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Roma
84013 Cava dei Tirreni (SA)
ITALY

or

Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Comune di Cava Di Tirreni
84013 CAVA DI TIRRENI SA
ITALY

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Re: Location on record says Cava T...is that Cava Di Tirreni

Postby Tessa78 » 09 Jan 2011, 17:47

Responded to your PM about the above... :-)

Also, "Piazza Roma" is similar to a street address...

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