Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

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Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby Kellylyng » 20 Jun 2011, 23:53

When my great grandparents came over to this country with my great-great grandparents they were uneducated, and Americanized their names. In fact when my grandfather decided to go to Italy in the 1970's he went to get his birth certificate in order to get a visa. He found no documentation existed. After asking his mother he went to the Catholic church for his baptism certificate. At that time he found that instead of James Riley Jr. he had been named Vincenzo Ranieri. His brothers and sisters went as well and found all the names had been Americanized and birth dates had been changed to the nearest holiday. Because of my grandfather I know that my great-grandmother was not Elizabeth Riley but Elisabetta Rannieri and was born April 21, 1892. She immigrated here on the Ancona to New York City in 1910, and I know a decade later she was living in Fruitville Utah. Her parents were named Pulli (I am guessing on the spelling) but changed it to Pulley. I know her father was Vincenzo Pulli. Her husband, my great grandfather was known as James Riley as that is what is listed as father on my grandfathers WWII draft notice, so I think his name may have been Giacomo Ranieri. So far I have only been able to find my great grandmother's records, and am stalled. Anyone who can give me an idea on which direction to go I would appreciate it. According to the ship records the place they came from is listed as Castellini, Italy. Following the Castellini it says ellause. I don't know what this means. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby johnnyonthespot » 21 Jun 2011, 13:34

Can you point us to the actual ship's manifest in question?

There is no place in Italy with the spelling "Castellini"
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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby johnnyonthespot » 21 Jun 2011, 17:48

Nearest matches I can find are:


Comune di Castellina in Chianti, Provincia di Siena, Regione di Toscana, Central Italy

Comune di Castellina Marittima, Provincia di Pisa, Regione di Toscana, Central Italy

Comune di Castellino del Biferno, Provincia di Campobasso, Regione di Molise, Southern Italy

Comune di Castellino Tanaro, Provincia di Cuneo, Regione di Piemonte, Northwestern Italy

Comune di Castelliri, Provincia di Frosinone, Regione di Lazio, Central Italy
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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby jennabet » 21 Jun 2011, 18:59

I think your grand-father is from Castelli in the Region of Abruzzo, Province of Teramo. Ranieri is an Abruzzese name. I am personally acquainted with a Ranieri family in Abruzzo (they are probably your cousins) and there are Ranieri's whom I went to school with in Wilmington, Delaware. Try contacting the Comune di Castelli. The first name of the Sindaco (Mayor) is Ludvico. Castelli is way up on the Gran Sasso mountain. You can almost reach out and touch it from the front door of the Comune. As picturesque as you can imagine. My grand-parents are also from Castelli. I've been there many times.

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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby suanj » 21 Jun 2011, 22:59

Hi
by death record of:
Name: Vincenzo Or Jim Ranieri Or Riley
Titles & Terms:
Death Date: 19 Oct 1955
Death Place: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States
Birthdate: 15 Jul 1879
Estimated Birth Year:
Birthplace: Calabra, Italy
Death Age: 76 years
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Race or Color: Caucasian
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Pulli Ranieri
Father's Name: John Ranieri
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother's Name: Minnie
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Film Number:
Digital GS Number: 4093806
Image Number: 0025
Certificate Number: 5503022
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"Calabra" birthplace, most probably is Calabria region...
Ranieri is a popular surname.... the first name is Vincenzo and not Giacomo; by:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Vincent Ranieri Name: Vincent Ranieri
County: Davis
State: Utah
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1880
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1983883
DraftBoard: 0

wife Lisabetta Ranieri in Centerville, Davis, USA; no birthplace...

so the italian name was: Vincenzo Ranieri..
by censuses:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Jim Rally
Name: Jim Rally
Home in 1920: Centerville, Davis, Utah
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Rally
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of immigration: 1905
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jim Rally 35
Elizabeth Rally 23
John Rally 7
Frances Rally 3
[3 0/12]
Toney Rally 0
[10/12]


1930 United States Federal Census
about Jammie Raley
Name: Jammie Raley
Home in 1930: Centerville, Davis, Utah
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Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Raley
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jammie Raley 47
Elizabeth Raley 38
John Raley 18
France Raley 13
Tony Raley 10
Jennie Raley 7


James imm. 1910; Elizabeth 1911; in same census sheet Tony Pulli and wife France( Francesca), the father of Elisabetta/Elizabeth... in effects the family was in USA in 1910:

1910 United States Federal Census
about Elizabeth Peelle Name: Elizabeth Peelle
[Elizabeth Pulle]
Age in 1910: 17
Estimated Birth Year: 1893
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Tony Peelle
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's name: Francesco Peelle
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Mercur, Tooele, Utah
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of immigration: 1910
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Tony Peelle 39
Francesco Peelle 40
Elizabeth Peelle 17
Mary Peelle 12
John Furbo 21
Tony Lonetti 35
Beto Pones 13
[19]
Francesco Rondinelli 24
Joseph Saraceno 19


and in same town:
Name: James Riley
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Residence: Mercur, Tooele, Utah
Marital Status: Single
Race : White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1901
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Family Number: 113
Page Number: 6

in 1920 census abt:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Toney Pully Name: Toney Pully
Home in 1920: Centerville, Davis, Utah
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's Name: Frances Pully
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of immigration: 1898
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Toney Pully 48
Frances Pully 49

as you can read the immigration year is different in all decades... :?

well I believe that Vincenzo Ranieri arrived in USA between 1901-1905...

however in the censuses are with some errors... always....

a Pulli in Utah coming from Cortale town, Catanzaro province, Calabria region, IT;

but I know not if is the same birthplace of Elizabeth...
I am positive abt Calabria region as birth area for James and Elizabeth...
if you can post the 1910 ship's manifest it is better, we can read....
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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby suanj » 21 Jun 2011, 23:04

the death of Elizabet mother :
Name: Francisca Or Frances H. Farbo Pulli
Titles & Terms:
Death Date: 30 Sep 1952
Death Place: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States
Birthdate: 31 Mar 1870
Estimated Birth Year:
Birthplace: Catanzara Calabria, Italy
Death Age: 82 years
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Race or Color: Caucasian
Spouse's Name: Tony Pulli
Father's Name: Joseph Farbo
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Film Number:
Digital GS Number: 4093448
Image Number: 0102
Certificate Number: 5202836
https://www.familysearch.org/search/rec ... MV6-5K9/p1

Name: Tony Pulli
Titles & Terms:
Death Date: 15 Feb 1954
Death Place: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States
Birthdate: 22 Nov 1870
Estimated Birth Year:
Birthplace: Catanzara, Calabria, Italy
Death Age: 83 years
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Race or Color: Caucasian
Spouse's Name: Francisca Farbo Farbo Pulli
Father's Name: Domnick Pulli
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Film Number:
Digital GS Number: 4093659
Image Number: 0002
Certificate Number: 5401322
maybe you have it, however , again, I believe that Ranieri and Pulli coming from same italian area..
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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby jennabet » 22 Jun 2011, 01:12

Kelly, it sounds as if the Ranieri's you located on the ship manifest were from Castelli, Teramo but they are not YOUR Ranieri's, considering that the name is present in other regions of Italy. Also, Ancona is a port in the Region of Le Marche, which is not far from Castelli. Another clue that they arn't your relatives would be if the ship "Ancona" left from the port of Ancona because that port is too far away from Calabria. It's more likely your relatives left from Naples.

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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby jennabet » 22 Jun 2011, 01:18

Also, it was more common for Italians south of Abruzzo to anglicize their names. In your case, one would not even know they came from Italy but more likely from Ireland. I also never heard of birthdates being changed to the nearest holiday.

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Re: Working on Italian side of Family. Ancona ship 1910

Postby johnnyonthespot » 22 Jun 2011, 02:05

I have read that many illiterate people (as most Italians - especially southern - were well into the 1900's) had no firm idea as to their true date of birth.

These are people who, after all, did not keep personal written records and had little reason to care about their actual date of birth; it was more than enough in 99% of cases to have a vague idea as to their age in years and little else mattered.

Upon arrival in the US they found almost immediately that everyone was asking for their date of birth. So, they chose a date that they could easily remember...
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