Does no SS or death record mean the person died in Italy?

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Does no SS or death record mean the person died in Italy?

Postby grandpa77 » 26 Jun 2011, 15:48

I'm doing research on my GGF born in Salerno and he is the only person I can't find a SS number or death record for. He gave birth to my GF in 1907 when he was 30 in the US.

I've subscribed to every service: Ancestry, Footnote.com, Archive.com, genealogybank.com, Ancestry Library Edition and heritagequestonline.com and I can't find his SS number or Death Record. I would assume that if he lived the rest of his life in the US that his SS and Death Record would be easy to find online. Because it was so easy to find the SS and death records online for everyone else.

So my question is: Do you think he moved back to Italy and died there if I can't find a SS or Death record for him after 1907 ? In other words what is the correlation between no SS/Death record online and not living and dying in the US ?

I would assume if you can't find the SS and death record online then that person probably didn't live out their life in the us ?

Are their any online resources in Italy that might be able to point me to his death record or Italian SS records?

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Re: Does no SS or death record mean the person died in Italy

Postby mler » 26 Jun 2011, 19:25

Social Security was a New Deal program and didn't exist before the 1930s. If your ggf died before that time, even if he lived in the US, he would not have a social security number.

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Re: Does no SS or death record mean the person died in Italy

Postby grandpa77 » 26 Jun 2011, 19:36

Wow, great info. Very possible

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Re: Does no SS or death record mean the person died in Italy

Postby johnnyonthespot » 27 Jun 2011, 15:32

Also of great importance, the publicly available social security death index, with few exceptions, only reaches back to about 1962. For deaths prior to that date, you have to file a written request directly with the Social Security Administration for a records search.

https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Social_Security_Death_Index_(SSDI)

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/150/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzA5MTgxMzIxL3NpZC9uQWp6Nnp4aw%3D%3D

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/286
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Re: Does no SS or death record mean the person died in Italy

Postby grandpa77 » 27 Jun 2011, 17:44

I applied for my grandfathers SS application. Other than the SS application do they have anything else ?

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Re: Does no SS or death record mean the person died in Italy

Postby johnnyonthespot » 27 Jun 2011, 17:58

If he died in the US they should also have a suitable record; especially true if he lived long enough to collect at least one SS payment.

See "Search for Information about Death of an Individual" http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
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