Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby suanj » 04 Sep 2011, 11:17

La nave Trave arrivata il 2 aprile 1901, fece due imbarchi in Italia: a Genova e a Napoli
http://stevemorse.org/cgi-bin/boat.php? ... =yes&auth=

i tuoi si saranno imbarcati a Napoli..
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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby suanj » 04 Sep 2011, 16:51

probabilmente avranno sbagliato la trascrizione sul sito di ellisisland.org chissà... ma sul manifesto deve stare scritto dove è salito questo passeggero, hai guardato il manifesto nella parte di sopra?
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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby Tessa78 » 04 Sep 2011, 17:27

Information about the "Trave" at this site... :-)

http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/ ... /shipt.htm
TRAVE
The "Trave" was built by Fairfield & Co, Glasgow in 1886 for Norddeutscher Lloyd [ North German Lloyd]. She was a 4969 gross ton vessel, length 438ft x beam 48.1ft, two funnels, four masts, single screw and a speed of 17 knots. There was accommodation for 150-1st, 90-2nd and 1,000-3rd class passengers. Launched on 18/2/1886, she sailed from Bremen on her maiden voyage to New York on 5/6/1886. In 1896/7 she was refitted and two of her masts removed and on 29/1/1901 she left Bremen on her last voyage to New York. She was them transferred to the Genoa - Naples - New York run on 20/3/1901 and commenced her last voyage on 23/4/1903. Between 1903-1906 she was laid up and on 11/3/1906 resumed the Bremen - New York service. She made nine round voyages on this service, the last one commencing 26/10/1907 and was then sold and scrapped in 1909. [Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Ted Finch - 12 September 1997]

The steamship TRAVE was built by Fairfield Co Ltd, Glasgow, for Norddeutscher Lloyd, and launched on 18 February 1886. 4,969 tons; 133,50 x 14,66 meters (438 x 48.1 feet, length x beam); straight bow, 2 funnels, 4 masts; steel construction, screw propulsion, service speed 17 knots; passenger accommodation: 150 1st-, 90 2nd-, and 1,000 steerage- class. 5 June 1886, maiden voyage, Bremen-Southampton-New York. 1896-97, refitted; masts reduced to 2. 29 January 1901, last voyage, Bremen-Southampton-New York. 20 March 1901, first voyage, Genoa-Naples-New York. 23 April 1903, last voyage, Genoa-Naples-New York. 1903-1906, laid up. 11 March 1906, resumed Bremen-New York service. 26 October 1907, last voyage, Bremen-New York (9 roundtrip voyages). 1908, sold; 1909, scrapped [Noel Reginald Pixell Bonsor, North Atlantic Seaway; An Illustrated History of the Passenger Services Linking the Old World with the New (2nd ed.; Jersey, Channel Islands: Brookside Publications), vol. 2 (1978), p. 553]. Pictured in Michael J. Anuta, Ships of Our Ancestors (Menominee, MI: Ships of Our Ancestors, 1983), p. 327, courtesy of Mystic Seaport Museum, 50 Greenmanville Ave., Mystic, CT.06355-0990. For additional information on the TRAVE, including pictures, see the following: 1.Arnold Kludas, Die Seeschiffe des Norddeutschen Lloyd, Bd. 1: 1857 bis 1919 (Herford: Koehler, c1991). 2. Edwin Drechsel, Norddeutscher Lloyd Bremen, 1857-1970; History, Fleet, Ship Mails (2 vols.; Vancouver: Cordillera Pub. Co., c1994-c1995). [Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Michael


According to the above, the ship did NOT sail from Bremen to New York after 29 January 1901...
So as suanj has stated, it is probably a transcription error at the ellis island site.

The manifests that are listed as BREMEN may actually be NAPLES departure...

If you give us the name and date of birth maybe we can help you find it :-)

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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby suanj » 04 Sep 2011, 17:57

thanks Tessa!
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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby suanj » 04 Sep 2011, 18:45

ma sicuramente, anche la logica lo dice: cosa dovevano andare a fare fino a Bremen quando potevano tranquillamente partire dall'Italiacon una delle tante navi... sai le trascrizioni sono fatte da volontari e gli errori scappano spesso, per questo quando un dato non ci quadra, per logica, controlliamo su altri siti..ciao,
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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby Tessa78 » 04 Sep 2011, 19:18

Ho guardato il manifesto ma nella parte di sopra è scritto soltanto " S.S. Trave ".
Il nome è TUFANO Francesco di Saviano.



New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Francesco Tufano
Arrival Date: 2 Apr 1901
Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian (from Saviano)
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Going to cousin Giuseppe Buonaiuto
Ship Name: Trave

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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby Tessa78 » 06 Sep 2011, 15:15

Sabino wrote:Il manifesto dei passeggeri è la pagina (frame) 572 ma volevo sapere quali sono le pagine in relazione con frame 572, la precedente pagina 571 ? o le seguenti pagine 573, 574 ?


Faccio questa domanda perché è scritto : " consul of the United Stades at Naples " e dunque ciò conferma che la nave era partita del porto di Napoli.


On page 573 and 574 it states that the surgeon examined the passengers on the "foregoing list or manifest" meaning the list that appears before pages 573 and 574. However, there are letters stamped on these pages (J, I, H, etc.) that seem to go in reverse order...
And yes, it has the stamp of "United States Consulate at Naples" :-)


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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby Tessa78 » 06 Sep 2011, 18:22

Sabino wrote:La lista in questione (numeri da 1 a 30) tre nomi sono sbarrati ci sono dunque 27 passeggeri.
La pagina che corrisponde è 571...mi sbaglio nel mio ragionamento ?

Che cosa significa le pagine con le lettere da Z a A e perché in ordine alfabetico inverso ?
pagina 518=Z (pagina 571=I) pagina 595=A


d'accordo, perché i fogli sono in ordine inverso ... :-)
Ma non capisco il signifcato delle lettere :?

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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby Tessa78 » 06 Sep 2011, 23:59

Ciao!

Sembra essere l'abbreviazione di "fratello" - 'bro' = brother

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Re: Trave - Bremen/New York - 1901

Postby Tessa78 » 07 Sep 2011, 19:16

Sì, penso cè una possibilità :)
E ho trovato gli errori su questi manifesti.
Tuttavia, la maggior parte delle informazioni è stata presa dal passaporto.
Se avete un commissario di bordo tedesco cercando di leggere l'italiano ci saranno errori.
Sono sicuro di esso.

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