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Seeking Italian name

Postby fletcherelf » 04 May 2012, 23:19

My ggf, George A Williams (B 1851 Italy) was naturalized in Kings County Court, NY on July 9, 1885. His sponsor was Giovanni Massena. I have seen a copy of the certificate but it does not list his Italian name or birthplace.
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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby jennabet » 05 May 2012, 12:18

"Williams" in the Italian language is "Guglielmo" or "Di Guglielmo"
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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby Tessa78 » 05 May 2012, 16:24

fletcherelf wrote:My ggf, George A Williams (B 1851 Italy) was naturalized in Kings County Court, NY on July 9, 1885. His sponsor was Giovanni Massena. I have seen a copy of the certificate but it does not list his Italian name or birthplace.


Try to get a copy of his "Petition for Naturalization" - on the reverse side is an affidavit section for official name change...

Using the Nat. Cert. # - you might be able to get this petition from NARA
https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonl ... chives.gov

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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby suanj » 05 May 2012, 16:42

fletcherelf wrote:My ggf, George A Williams (B 1851 Italy) was naturalized in Kings County Court, NY on July 9, 1885. His sponsor was Giovanni Massena. I have seen a copy of the certificate but it does not list his Italian name or birthplace.


This record could be abt your ancestor??

"United States Census, 1880," George A. Williams, Brooklyn, Kings, New York

Name: George A. Williams
Residence: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Birthdate: 1845
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head: Self
Spouse's Name: Kate Williams
Spouse's Birthplace: New York, United States
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Race or Color (Expanded): White
Ethnicity (Standardized): American
Gender: Male
Martial Status: Married
Age (Expanded): 35 years
Occupation: Roofer
NARA Film Number: T9-0842
Page: 124
Page Character: D
Entry Number: 777
Film number: 1254842
Household Gender Age
George A. Williams M 35
Spouse Kate Williams F 30
Child Leon Williams M 10
Child Mary Williams F 8
Child Joseph Williams M 6
Child Amelia Williams F 4
Child George Williams M 1
John Messigna M 35 ( this must be Giovanni Massena; maybe the right name spelling is Giovanni Messina)

George A Williams was the sponson also of Giovanni "Massena" naturalization:
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project) about Giovann Massena
Name: Giovann Massena
Birth Place: Italy
Court District: New York
Date of Action: 17 Sep 1884

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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby fletcherelf » 05 May 2012, 22:15

Thanks everyone! Now if I can find his birthplace I'll have it made. He gave his youngest son the middle name of Quirico (Roger Q. Williams). There are a number of places in Italy with that name so maybe one of them is his birth place.
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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby suanj » 06 May 2012, 10:16

yes in 1892 census the last child is Quirico Williams:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1529100

I believe that the him mother maiden name could be Reilly or Rielly.... just a suggestion....
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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby suanj » 08 May 2012, 16:58

suanj wrote:yes in 1892 census the last child is Quirico Williams:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1529100

I believe that the him mother maiden name could be Reilly or Rielly.... just a suggestion....
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1892 census(image)
name: Quirico Williams
event:
event date: 1892
event place: Brooklyn, Ward 20, E.D. 04
age:
gender: Male
birthplace: United States
estimated birth year:
alien or citizen: Citizen
film number: 1930239
digital folder number: 004370038
image number: 00324
Image


Some George A Williams children:

1900 census:
1900 United States Federal Census about Inirico Williams
Name: Inirico Williams
[Ciriaco R Williams] (no, right: Quirico R Williams)
Age: 9
Birth Date: Apr 1891
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1900: Brooklyn Ward 19, Kings, New York
[Kings]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Brother
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Switzerland
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George J Williams 21
Mary Williams 23
William B Williams 17
Edward J Williams 14
Louis A Williams 11
Inirico Williams 9

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by that the father birthplace is Switzerland... probably... north Italy...
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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby suanj » 10 May 2012, 16:48

well: George A Williams wife maiden name was O'Neil; I found some births:

name: Edward Williams
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 01 Jun 1886
birthplace: Brooklyn, Kings, New York

death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: George A. Williams
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Cathrina O'Neil
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C00156-0

system origin: New_York-ODM
source film number: 1324390
reference number:

name: Louis Antony Williams
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 09 Sep 1888
birthplace: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: George A. Williams
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Catharine M. O'Neil Williams

if we can decover the marriage record, maybe George A Williams used the him italian name...
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Re: Seeking Italian name

Postby suanj » 11 May 2012, 18:28

following the trace of George A Williams children, now we know that the children:
-George J married at Mary ( scottish)
-Edward J Williams married at Emma Schroeder and in 1930 lived in Riverside, Bergen, NJ
-Louis Anthony Williams married at Dorothy and until 1942 lived in Riverside, Bergen, NJ
Amelia Williams aka Emelia Catherine Williams married at George Petley Fletcher; Emelia died on 22 jun 1914; children:
John T Fletcher 1902 ( in 1920 living with uncle Louis Anthony Williams in Brooklyn)
Catherine L Fletcher 1903-
Edward P Fletcher 1905 –
Florence Fletcher 1909 –
Sarah Jane Fletcher 1910

in 1910 census Emelia Catherine Fletcher nee Williams, well the her father was italian and the mother born in NY... I believe that the Williams surname was used by George A just from 1880... only finding the marriage record or some birth record of oldest children maybe we can know the him italian surname; and by that descover the birthplace... the oldest son, Leon was born around 1870 in Illinois... maybe they moved after the marriage and back in Brooklyn, NY...
hoping of to find more.....
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