Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

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Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby trevisan2 » 23 Feb 2014, 18:17

I am helping a friend with trying to figure out more about her family from Italy.
She needs to locate the Ellis Island emigration record, to see what children came with their father to the US.

Here is what we know

Gio Paolo Pezze or Pessetto
Born 15 July 1876 in Forno di Rivara, Rivara, Torino, Italy
Married 17 April 1897 in Rivara
Died 9 June 1949 Helper, Carbon, Utah

Married to Teresa Milano
born 22 June 1878 Forno di Rivara
Died ? don't know what happened to her

Possible children that came to US
Maria
Michele

Any information will be appreciated,
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 23 Feb 2014, 19:40

Hi Trevisan Barbara maiden name was Carrera right spell.. I believe that also Barbara coming from Forno di Rivara.. I cannot find the her arrival.. abt Pezze/Pessetto I believe Pescetto right..

here the 1920 census:
1920 United States Federal Census about Paul Pessetto
Name: Paul Pessetto
[Paul Perretto]
Age: 43
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1920: Helper, Carbon, Utah
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1898
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Barbra Pessetto
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Pessetto 43
Barbra Pessetto 43 b. IT; imm. 1901
Mike Pessetto 20 b. 2 jun 1899 IT; imm. 1901
John Pessetto 17 b. UT
Minnie Pessetto 15 ditto
Pete Pessetto 14 ditto
Mary Pessetto 9 ditto

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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 24 Feb 2014, 12:02

possible arrival of Paolo Pescetto:
Name: Paolo Pescetto
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 20 Mar 1899
Event Place: New York, New York, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birthplace: Italy
Occupation: Miner
Ship Name: La Touraine
Birth Year (Estimated): 1877
Departure Port: Havre
Literacy: Read & Write
Residence Place: Alfano
Destination Place: C---- GATE UTAH (Castle Gate UT)
Transit or Travel Compartment: Staying in the USA [Transit]; Steerage [Travel]
Affiliate Manifest ID: 00083167
Affiliate Publication Title: Italians to America Passenger Data File, 1855-1900
Affiliate ARC Identifier: 1746097

line 18, married, joining at brother Battista..
I believe that the birthplace is wrong, because Alfano or similar spell is of line 17, and on line 18 are just a " ; on line 19 Forno birthplace...
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby trevisan2 » 25 Feb 2014, 02:36

That is a great find Suanj

You are amazing!! to find an abstract record like this one!!
My friend will be posting a follow up shortly. She says its her Paulo Pesetto!!

Now we need to find the emigration record for his 2nd wife Barbara. I know you looked for it.
I also found a marriage record in Italy where Paulo Pescetto married Teresa Milano in 1897.
Then I also found a birth record for a child born in Forno di Rivara in 1898.

I also checked for a birth record for the Barbara in Forno di Rivara and did not see that maiden name present in the birth records. I have most of the Forno di Rivara parish records and all of them in the time period of her birth.

Then you posted on his emigration record that he was married at the time he came two USA.

A naturalization record on Paulo Pecetto would be helpful as well.

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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 25 Feb 2014, 07:06

I cannot find the arrivals abt: Barbara Carrera, Teresa Milano and little Michele Pescetto/Pessetto... by 1910 census, Barbara and little Michele/Mike arrived in USA in 1901...
1910 United States Federal Census about Paul Possetto
Name: Paul Possetto
[Paul Passetti]
Age in 1910: 34
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Helper, Carbon, Utah
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1899
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Barbara Possetto
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
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Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Possetto 34
Barbara Possetto 34 imm. 1901
Mike Possetto 10 imm. 1901
John Possetto 7
Minnie Possetto 6
Peter Possetto 4


but I cannot find the arrival records....
as a well no naturalization records...
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 25 Feb 2014, 16:51

I cannot find the Barbara arrival.. I found just a Maria Carrera coming from Pratiglione ([very close to Forno Canavese ( Forno di Rivara until 1926)] with 2 children: Maria Carrera 4 old and Michele Carrera 2 old, all joining at husband/father in Castle Gate, UT

First Name: Michele
Last Name: Carrera
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: Fratiglione
Date of Arrival: Dec 15, 1901
Age at Arrival: 2 Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Bretagne
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0019

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0019

It could be possible that her first name was Maria and used Barbara in USA? It could be possible that she was married, and widowed remarried at Paul Pessetto (Paolo Pescetto)?
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby trevisan2 » 25 Feb 2014, 17:40

Thanks again for all of your research and hard work!

What is interesting here and the time line


15 July 1876 birth date for Giovanni Paolo Pezze
22 June 1898 Birth Date for Teresa Milano at Forno di Rivara
17 April 1897 Marriage date in Forno di Rivara to Teresa Milano of Forno. His surname name is recorded as Pesetto when he got married.
16 Aug 1898 Teresa Milano gives birth to a Domenica Antonia Pesetto
20 March 1899 Giovanni Paolo Pesetto emigrates to the USA to Utah as a married man.

11 June 1908 Giovanni Paolo married Barbara Carerra in Helper,Carbon, Utah
Barbara Carrera born 1877 Italy ( I did not find her in the Forno di Rivara parish records)

The children listed as Pesetto Children on the census records are children that are believed to be Barbara Carerra's.
Some of them I found on Family Search, have birth dates and Birth places in Forno Canavese aka Forno di Rivara. Then when I checked the Parish birth records, I did not find the children in the birth registers.
These children were born before the 11 June 1908 marriage record
The children are as follows:
1897 Mary Carerra Born in Italy died 1909 Helper, Utah
2 June 1899 Michael Carerra Born in Italy died 10 Jan 1922 in Helper, Utah
6 March 1904 Domenica Carrera birth recorded in Helper, Utah
10 Nov 1906 Peter Paul Carrera born in Helper, Utah died 10 June 1936

I believe that the children Mary, Michael ( both born in Italy) were born with their mother's maiden name or who ever her husband's name was in Italy.
Then Domenica and Peter Paul, born in Utah also had a different surname than the Pesetto, because all of these children were born before the 1908 marriage date.

I have asked my friend L. to find the birth certificates of Domenica and Peter Paul Carrera, because it may shed more light on who the actual father is.\
Also, the actual marriage record of 1908 will be interesting to see.

After the marriage in 1908 all of the children took on the Pesetto surname.
Then two more children were born. ( source from Family Search) but have not been verfied with birth records.
26 Nov 1910 Mary Pesetto died 6 May 2003 Helper, Utah
Margarita 1913 Died 1915

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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 25 Feb 2014, 18:02

Trevisan, by your reply:
The children are as follows:
1897 Mary Carerra Born in Italy died 1909 Helper, Utah
2 June 1899 Michael Carerra Born in Italy died 10 Jan 1922 in Helper, Utah

6 March 1904 Domenica Carrera birth recorded in Helper, Utah
10 Nov 1906 Peter Paul Carrera born in Helper, Utah died 10 June 1936

I believe that Mary and Michael born in Italy, they was not the Paul children.. I am pretty sure now that the ship's manifest of Michele Carrera , his sister Maria and the mother Maria Carrera (I know not if the Carrera was her maiden name or married surname) are right persons...

because I made a true deep search and no a Barbara Carrera emigrated... as a well no a Teresa Milano emigrated...
by civil records of Forno di Rivara aka Forno Canavese, you found Michele Pescetto birth on 2 jun1899..????

I believe no.. but I believe that you can find a Michele Carrera born in Pratiglione on 2 jun 1899 as a well a Maria Carrera born in Pratiglione on 1897..
I am pretty sure that Barbara Carrera was Maria Carrera really, and she had 2 children from previous husband, the age matching... so much coincidences: the children age, the final destination on the ship's manifest, the same final destination of Paolo Pescetto ( right italian name)... the fact that Mary and Michael are no in birth or baptism registries of Forno... the evidence that no a Barbara Carrera or a Michele Pescetto, Maria Pescetto, Teresa Milano.. never emigrated... I searched also in 1910 census of Utah and no a Michele Carrera or Maria Carrera... so they becoming Micke Pessetto( Pescetto) and Mary Pessetto( Pescetto;decesead)
I believe that my idea is right...: Barbara Carrera was Maria Carrera( maiden name or married surname)... and the 2 oldest children was born in Pratiglione from her first marriage...
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby trevisan2 » 26 Feb 2014, 07:36

Your so great Suanj !!

I did find the birth record for Michele born on 2 June 1899 in the Forno di Rivara parish records.
Posted here on Family Search under memories.

I did not find the birth record for Mary Carera in 1877. I looked two years before and after the date.

The birth record for Teresa Milano is also posted on Family Search and her marriage record to Giovanni Paolo Pesetto

https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=anc ... n=M6KX-R5V

I will try to post it via Image Shack.

What is most interesting is that the record Does not name the father and that Barbara Carera is un married. Her birth place is listed as Pratiglione as you predicted.

Then the Godparents are listed as follows;
Padrino: Pesetto Domenico fu Michele
Madrina Pesetto Maria fu Michele

Then the Baptism was done by Domenico Pescetto fu Michele da Forno di Rivara.

I was in Forno di Rivara and Pratiglione a week ago!! I photographed 18,000 pages of parish documents in that area. This is how I can look up the parish birth records on my computer!!

I don't have the parish records of Pratiglione, Torino, Italy, but will be back up in that area in the future for other research.

I will continue to look for the birth record of Maria Carera.

If you have access to Family Search, I also have the birth and marriage record for Teresa Milano married to Giovanni Pietro Pescetto on that site.
Thanks a million again.
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby trevisan2 » 26 Feb 2014, 08:13

You are so great!! Thank You so much for helping me out.

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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 26 Feb 2014, 11:57

Hi Trevisan, happy of help you.. I am a bit confused abt Paolo Pescetto ( that I found)- Giovanni Pietro Pessetto (on your previous post, maybe you mean Gio Paolo Pescetto) and Gio Paolo Pezzé ( on the genealogic tree by familysearch)...
you mean that:
Gio Paolo Pezzè married at Teresa Milano is Paolo Pescetto aka Paul Pessetto? where ou found Pezzé surname...?
By death record:
Paul R. Pessetto, "Utah Death Certificates, 1904-1956"
Name: Paul R. Pessetto
Titles and Terms:
Event Date: 09 Jun 1949
Event Place: Standardville, Carbon, Utah
Birth Date:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1877
Birthplace:
Age (Formatted): 72 years
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Race:
Spouse's Name: Barbara Pessetto
Father's Name: Michael Pessetto
Father's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Name: Dominica Cavello
Mother's Titles and Terms:
GS Film number: 2224899
Digital Folder Number: 4120938
Image Number: 1563
Reference ID:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :439775311
the his parent's names are the same that you found on his birth act?
Because I am pretty sure that his italian name was Paolo (or Gio Paolo) Pescetto and no Pezzé....
abt Maria Carrera (aka Barbara Carrera in USA) I believe that you must search her birth act around 1873... because she was 28 old in 1901...
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby trevisan2 » 26 Feb 2014, 16:31

Your right, there is only a Gio or Giovanni Paolo Pesetto, born Pezze in Forno di Rivara

I checked again and can't find the Birth Record for Maria Carera. I only have the birth records up to 1899.

I hope I got the pictures and links in the right order.

Birth record for Gio Paolo Pezze. 15 July 1876 Forno di Rivara
http://imageshack.com/a/img22/1987/t0fk.jpg

Teresa Milano born 22 June 1878 at Forno di Rivara
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/548x3 ... 4/sgp2.jpg




Giovanni Paolo Pescetto marriage act to Teresa Milano 15 April 1897 at Forno di Rivara, (TO)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/210x2 ... 2/gt99.jpg

Then the birth of their Daughter Domenica Antonia Pesetto

Birth record for Domenica Antonia Pesetto 16 Aug 1878 in Forno di Rivara
http://imageshack.com/a/img22/650/x54k.jpg

Then the Birth of Michele Carera daughter of Barbara Carera and UnKnown Father.
birth act for Michele Carera Born 2 June 1899 in Forno di Rivara, (TO)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/337x2 ... 2/x54k.jpg

His Godparents
Godfather Domenico Pesetto of the deceased Michele ( Gio Paolo Pesetto's brother)
Godmother Maria Pesetto of the deceased Michele ( Gio Paolo Pesetto's sister)
The baptism of Michele Carera was performed by his Uncle Michele Pesetto according to the birth/baptism record.

What remains to be verified now is the marriage record in Helper, Utah between Giovanni Paulo Pesetto and Barbara Carera . I have seen a 11 June 1908 date.
But there are two more children that were born in Helper, before she got married.

7 Oct 1904 John Pesetto Jr. Heiner, Carbon, Utah, United States
30 Nov 1906 Peter Paul Pesetto. Heiner, Carbon, Utah, United States

16 March 1903 Domenica ( Minnie) Pesetto in Helper, Utah
Domenica Pesetto
Married a Caralo Carinati 22 March 1921 in Helper, Utah

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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 26 Feb 2014, 17:14

Hi Trevisan,
the baptism show Pezzé surname... but on the ship's manifest are Pescetto surname..
so t is a bit strange that on the church records the surname is Pezzé and on the ship's manifest the surname is Pescetto... it could be Pessetto right spelling also.. who know with precision?
on the Paolo ship's manifest he joining to brother Battista... I found this death record:
John Baptista Pessetto, "Utah Death Certificates, 1904-1956"
Name: John Baptista Pessetto
Titles and Terms:
Event Date: 26 Nov 1949
Event Place: Provo, Utah, Utah
Birth Date:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1878
Birthplace:
Age (Formatted): 71 years
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Race:
Spouse's Name: Ellen Robb Pessetto
Father's Name: Michael Pessetto
Father's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Name: Dominico Cavello
Mother's Titles and Terms:
GS Film number: 2224902
Digital Folder Number: 4120945
Image Number: 528
Reference ID: 250506

and this other record:
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about John Baptiste Pessetto
Name: John Baptiste Pessetto
County: Carbon
State: Utah
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1878
Race: White


arrival:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Battista Pessetto
Name: Battista Pessetto
Arrival Date: 9 Mar 1896
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: La Gascogne

final destination: Rockvald(?), Colorado
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0278
you can verify on the baptism record of Giovanni Battista the surname: Pessetto/Pescetto/Pezzé ?
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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby trevisan2 » 26 Feb 2014, 22:47

What is interesting about the Pezzé vs Pesetto or Pesetto is that in all of the parish records at Forno di Rivara, before say 1870's to the 1550's the surname is written Pezzé.
Then around the late 1800's The Pesetto name switched over and Pezzé is not used anymore. I asked why the change on my recent visit to the area and that is what they all say.

I can also say that I have la copy of all of the Canischio Parish records, all of them including several very important 1800 census books that are 4 inches thick. 9000 pages.
I am still doing research on this family and have not verified all of the dates. I am just now going through the database!!

Michele Lino Pezzé of Domenico
B. 22 Sept 1840
Married 15 Feb 1862 in Canischio
Died 19 Feb 1888

To
Maria Domenica Cavallo
b. 23 Sept 1842 in Canischio

Their 8 children are as follows:

Gio Paolo Pezzé
b. 15 July 1876 Forno di Rivara
Died 9 June 1949 in Helper, Utah
Married to
Teresa Milano b. in Forno
Barbara Carera b. in Pratiglione

Lorenzo Paolo Pezzé
b. 31 Jan 1867 at Forno
d. 18 May 1838
Married to
Maria Ricca
b. abt 1870 in Forno

Maria Paolina Pezzé
b. 24 Jan 1869 at Forno

Married to
Candido Giuseppe Rolle
b. abt 1865 in Forno

Caterina Angela Pezzé
b. 1 Nov 1870 at Forno
d. 4 Nov 1945 Helper, Utah

http://imageshack.com/a/img22/3906/k2tj.jpg parish birth record
Married to
Giovanni Battista Bottino
b. 29 April 1869 Forno di Rivara


Angela Paola Pezzé
b. 1 April 1874 at Forno
d. 1 Feb 1960
Married to
Giuseppe Antonio Moretto
b. about 1870

Cecilia Maria Pezzé
b. 10 jan 1879 at Forno
d. 7 Dec 1934
Married to
Giacomo Alfredo Milano
b. 6 Aprile 1866 Forno di Rivara


Giovanni Battista Natale Pezzé
b. 3 Jan 1879 Forno di Rivara
d. 26 Nov 1949 Provo, Utah

http://imageshack.com/a/img836/2201/hzvf.jpg his parish birth record.

Married to
Ellen Bell Robb
b. 3 February 1881
Paragonah,Iron,Utah

There are a couple of other children
that died at eight years old or less.

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Re: Giovanni Paolo Pessetto or Pezze

Postby suanj » 26 Feb 2014, 22:59

Hi Trevisan,
good work!
so Pezzé becoming Pessetto or Pescetto in some way.. excellent work!
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