Help reading manifest

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Help reading manifest

Postby sue1anne » 24 Jun 2005, 09:51

Can someone please look at this manifest of Vincenzo Ricci, and tell me if you can read who he is going to see? I can read "his son Francesco.... Pittsburgh, PA":

http://img225.echo.cx/img225/9775/vince ... est5rr.gif

I think this might be my great-great-grandfather - father of Frank Rich/Ricci/Rizzi, and the grandfather of Catherine Ricci.

Frank Rich was born Francesco Rizzi in Mar 1872. 1920 census shows he immigrated in 1893, and I found one manifest in 1893 that listed him from Matraia.

http://img295.echo.cx/my.php?image=fran ... spa6xh.jpg

I'm wondering if Vincenzo could be Francesco's father?

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Re: Help reading manifest

Postby suanj » 24 Jun 2005, 15:11

sue1anne wrote:Can someone please look at this manifest of Vincenzo Ricci, and tell me if you can read who he is going to see? I can read "his son Francesco.... Pittsburgh, PA":

http://img225.echo.cx/img225/9775/vince ... est5rr.gif

I think this might be my great-great-grandfather - father of Frank Rich/Ricci/Rizzi, and the grandfather of Catherine Ricci.

Frank Rich was born Francesco Rizzi in Mar 1872. 1920 census shows he immigrated in 1893, and I found one manifest in 1893 that listed him from Matraia.

http://img295.echo.cx/my.php?image=fran ... spa6xh.jpg

I'm wondering if Vincenzo could be Francesco's father?

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hi sue, I read RIZZA (no RICCI)Vincenzo from Minturno, joining Francesco RiZZA son in Pittsburgh... regards, suanj
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Re: Help reading manifest

Postby sue1anne » 24 Jun 2005, 20:38

Yes, Suanj. I have seen the name Rizza, Rizzi, Ricci, Ricca, and lastly changed to Rich. I can't read the words between Francesco and Pittsburgh. It may not be important, but I thought it might give me a clue if this might be his father visiting him in America.

I can't order his death certificate. Family lore says he returned to Italy and died there. I don't know if he was in Matraia or Minturno.

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Re: Help reading manifest

Postby VaDeb » 24 Jun 2005, 21:02

It is an address. Enlarged it, but hard to read. Possibly 1840 P?? Street. The first letter looks the same as the P in Pittsbrg.

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Re: Help reading manifest

Postby suanj » 24 Jun 2005, 22:17

sue1anne wrote:Yes, Suanj. I have seen the name Rizza, Rizzi, Ricci, Ricca, and lastly changed to Rich. I can't read the words between Francesco and Pittsburgh. It may not be important, but I thought it might give me a clue if this might be his father visiting him in America.

I can't order his death certificate. Family lore says he returned to Italy and died there. I don't know if he was in Matraia or Minturno.

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the word between Francesco and Pittsburgh is Rizza write very little.. about the origin place is MINTURNO , sure.
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Re: Help reading manifest

Postby sue1anne » 25 Jun 2005, 00:57

This record shows Minturno, but I'm afraid I've mixed two Francescos and I don't want to follow the wrong family. His immigration showed 1893 coming from Matraia, but his wife and children list Minturno in 1903. I didn't find any other person in 1893 that matched, but I'm wondering because Matraia and Minturno are not close to each other. He did come to the US several times between 1893 and 1907, so is it possible he married and moved to Minturno, but was originally from Matraia? It seems too far north.

His wife is Rosa Romano, listed with children Nicola (who died before 1910), Luigi, Tommaso, and Maria. Tommaso is listed in manifest born in Italy, but in census born in New York. I'm not sure which is right yet, but I think it is Italy.

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Re: Help reading manifest

Postby sue1anne » 25 Jun 2005, 01:13

I think I've found another more probable Francesco Ricci. I believe because of the age difference I've had the wrong one in my family. This one is 17 years old, which is much closer to his stated year of birth of 1874 in the 1910 census. This would have made him 19 years old in 1893.

Ugh! Now I'm not sure... back to the manifests to see if I can find the right person.

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