Chances of dual citizenship lost?

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Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby mmet67 » 03 Oct 2014, 17:48

Hello. I would like to try to obtain my Italian citizenship from these lines... grandfather, father, me. I know I qualify for it as my grandfather was born in Collepietro and didn't get naturalized until 1925... 2 years AFTER my dad was born.

What I am worried about and it might stop me from reaching this goal is my grandfather was born Pasquale Di Scipio. On his naturalization papers, his name is listed as Patsy D. Scipio (I know that Patsy is a shortened form of Pasquale). His name is listed like that on his death certificate, too. And his father (my great grandfather) is listed as Domenico D. Scipio on my grandfather's death record. My father's birth and death record shows Scipio listed as the last name as well for him, my father, and also my grandfather.

Also, I am having an extremely hard time getting the legal copy of my grandfather's naturalization along with the legal copies of the birth records from Italy for my grandfather and grandmother.

Do you think this will be a problem? I really do not want to try to go through the courts and have the names on the records legally changed.

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Re: Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby lydiatheys » 03 Oct 2014, 17:55

At which consulate will you be applying? Some are more strict than others. NY is reputedly one of the strictest.
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Re: Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby mmet67 » 03 Oct 2014, 17:58

I will be applying at the one in Pennsylvania.

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Postby carubia » 07 Oct 2014, 13:26

What do you mean by the "legal copy" of your GF's naturalization papers? What do you have now for the naturalization? Have you tried USCIS and NARA?

So the family's name changed from Di Scipio to D. Scipio to Scipio?

On any of his documents, such as his petition for naturalization, is his name given as both Pasquale and Patsy?

The first name doesn't sound bad, as Philly is OK with anglicizations. It's harder to say offhand with the surname. It could be OK. It would be best to check the ConsulateFAQs on the Italian Citizenship Message Board. If you don't have any date of birth discrepancies you will be a lot less likely to have to get a court order.

Have you tried just amending his death cert? Ideally, amend it to say, "Pasquale Di Scipio aka Patsy Scipio." That would probably clear up the potential problem.

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Re: Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby sceaminmonkey » 18 Dec 2014, 10:32

A few words of encouragement. Don't give up. If you want it bad enough you will get it. From what I understand I am the first person or one of the first in NYC to actually find an appropriate and legitimate route to getting people declared one in the same by a judge. That may be presumptuous but it was what I was told by the judge. I also was told my GGF birth certificate was destroyed and then the commune found it by harassing them. Dates will be screwed up names will be equally as bad but after the hard work is done you will get it.

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Re: Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby sceaminmonkey » 18 Dec 2014, 10:33

p.s lawyers were no use here in the U.S and an utter waste of money. Paid for consolation to be told its not possible

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Re: Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby jmb44 » 31 Dec 2014, 20:23

Here in California it is not that difficult to get records corrected. Depending on the correction, It involves a court filling but in most cases doesn't require an attorney.

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Re: Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby sceaminmonkey » 01 Jan 2015, 18:23

Federal documents are the tricky part. It won't matter what state you are in. a local court has no power to correct a naturalization certificate etc

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Re: Chances of dual citizenship lost?

Postby jmb44 » 03 Jan 2015, 23:49

Yes, I was referring to amending the death certificate, as was suggested above.


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