did my grandfather naturalize?

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did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby maddief » 19 Jul 2006, 09:36

I am currently trying to obtion dual citizenship through my paternal grandfather, Franco Franconi, so I can work in Europe. Unfortunately, both of my grandparents are deceased and the rest of the family doesn't know if my grandfather ever naturalized (or my great-grandfather, Ferdinando Franconi, for that matter since my grandfather was a minor when he arrived in the States). In any case, the National Records Center in Missouri has told me it will take anywhere from five months to a year to get this information back. Is there any other way to find out whether he naturalized or not? I could be getting a lot of the paperwork together in the meantime but I'm just out of college and don't have the money to spare if I can't even apply in the end. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'd appreciate any help.

(My grandfather, Franco Franconi, was born in the Reggio Calabria region of Italy in 1909 and came to the States when he was three years old. He returned to Italy when he was 16 for three more years and then finally settled in the Wyoming Valley region of Pennsylvania. Again, his father, Ferdinando Franconi, might have naturalized for the household while my father was still a minor.)

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 10:01

Hi,
Would this be your Ferdinando?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record info
about Ferdinando Franconi

Name: Ferdinando Franconi
City: Not Stated
County: Luzerne
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 06 Jun 1881
Race: White
Roll: 1893747
DraftBoard: 2

Looks like he was naturalized... see box 11

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/479/fr ... aftgc6.jpg

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It only took 4 edits... but imageshack is playing tricks on me...

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby maddief » 19 Jul 2006, 10:02

Why would this document prove that he naturalized? (I'm not challenging you. This is just all new to me.)

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Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 10:07

maddief wrote:Why would this document prove that he naturalized? (I'm not challenging you. This is just all new to me.)


I am going to try to link a better sample of a draft card...

There are other records that we can find...

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Postby jcsm400 » 19 Jul 2006, 10:10

1930 census shows Fred Franconi naturalized in 1910, wife Josephine & son Frank in 1911.

Will link the census hopefully in a few minutes, if Imageshack cooperates!
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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 10:12

mfjp wrote:
maddief wrote:Why would this document prove that he naturalized? (I'm not challenging you. This is just all new to me.)


I am going to try to link a better sample of a draft card...

There are other records that we can find...

Maria :P


Ancestry Draft card sample "C"

Name: Ferdinando Franconi
City: Not Stated
County: Luzerne
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 06 Jun 1881
Race: White
Roll: 1893747
DraftBoard: 2

Looks like he was naturalized... (see box 11)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/479/fr ... aftgc6.jpg

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Postby jcsm400 » 19 Jul 2006, 10:17

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby jcsm400 » 19 Jul 2006, 10:22

jcsm400 wrote:1930 census shows Fred Franconi naturalized in 1910, wife Josephine & son Frank in 1911.

Will link the census hopefully in a few minutes, if Imageshack cooperates!


:oops: These are the years the come to the states, but the "NA" after meanings that they are naturalized citizens.....not thinking cleaarly tonite...lack of sleep? old age?

Here is the link to the census record.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3846 ... 930zd9.jpg

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 10:24

Could this be him too??

It doesn't show citizenship info... though

Could you verify his birthdate (s)

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 Record
about Ferdinando Franconi
Name: Ferdinando Franconi
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1881
Residence: Luzerne, Pennsylvania
Birth: Pistio, Italy
Roll: WW2_2240185

Will link image... just for your records...

WW2 info

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Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 10:36

1910 boat record

Would this be him?? Wife mentioned is a Maria.

First Name: Ferdinando
Last Name: Franconi
Ethnicity: Italy
Last Place of Residence: Pistoia
Date of Arrival: Nov 11, 1910
Age at Arrival: 29 Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Berlin
Port of Departure: Genoa
Manifest Line Number: 0016

If this is your Ferdinando... I don't think he was naturalized in 1910.

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Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 10:39

First Name: Franco
Last Name: Franconi
Ethnicity: Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Pituno, Italy
Date of Arrival: Jul 03, 1911
Age at Arrival: 2y Gender: M Marital Status: U
Ship of Travel: Duca D'Aosta
Port of Departure: Genova
Manifest Line Number: 0013

Page 1 - 1911 Manifest

Page 2

In 1911, he is listed on an Alien manifest if this is the correct Franco...

You did say he returned to Italy... and then back to the USA... hopefully we can find the other boat record...

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 10:54

Social Security Death Index Record info
about Frank Franconi

Name: Frank Franconi
SSN: 179-28-6613
Last Residence: 18618 Harveys Lake, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Born: 15 Jul 1909
Died: Jun 1973
State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (1952-1953 )

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 11:00

Was there a brother by the name of Ludovico??

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby maddief » 19 Jul 2006, 11:12

No, Franco's brother was named Aldo.

So I guess this means that my dreams of dual citizenship are dashed... :o(

Would I be able to apply through my maternal great-grandparents? Although I would expect them to have naturalized as well.

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Re: did my grandfather naturalize?

Postby mfjp » 19 Jul 2006, 12:02

maddief wrote:No, Franco's brother was named Aldo.

So I guess this means that my dreams of dual citizenship are dashed... :o(

Would I be able to apply through my maternal great-grandparents? Although I would expect them to have naturalized as well.


Yes... Aldo was on the 1911 manifest...

I've asked a wonderful forum member :wink: to join this post... she may be able to advise you better...

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