No US Immigration Records- so trying Italia Emigration route

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Postby dloper3 » 26 Nov 2006, 04:33

Hi everyone!
I have a great grandfather named (in America) Simeon Petticore. He declares his "immigration" to the US as 1888 in our 1910 US Census. His daughter Bridgette Petticore, followed her father several years later in 1892. They are both from Alessandria del Carretto, Italy.

Simeon (or Simon) married first, Rose Mont in Italy and had two children Anthony (born 16 May 1876); and Bridgette (born 29 Sep 1878). Rose must have passed away in Italy, and Simone remarried a woman by the name of Camilla Aduse. They had one additional child in Italy before emigrating to the US. This additional child was Frank Petticore, born 22 Feb 1886 -- also in Alessandria del Carretto, Italy. A final son, James Petticore ( 20 Aug 1894) was born after the family settled in the Sedro Woolley, Skagit County of Washington State in the Pacific Northwest US.

Since I can't seem to find them coming into the US - can anyone there in Italy help me find them leaving (emigrating) ?

Appreciate any help. Sincerely, Donna

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Postby Esperanza » 26 Nov 2006, 09:19

dloper3 wrote:Hi everyone!
I have a great grandfather named (in America) Simeon Petticore. He declares his "immigration" to the US as 1888 in our 1910 US Census. His daughter Bridgette Petticore, followed her father several years later in 1892. They are both from Alessandria del Carretto, Italy.

Simeon (or Simon) married first, Rose Mont in Italy and had two children Anthony (born 16 May 1876); and Bridgette (born 29 Sep 1878). Rose must have passed away in Italy, and Simone remarried a woman by the name of Camilla Aduse. They had one additional child in Italy before emigrating to the US. This additional child was Frank Petticore, born 22 Feb 1886 -- also in Alessandria del Carretto, Italy. A final son, James Petticore ( 20 Aug 1894) was born after the family settled in the Sedro Woolley, Skagit County of Washington State in the Pacific Northwest US.

Since I can't seem to find them coming into the US - can anyone there in Italy help me find them leaving (emigrating) ?

Appreciate any help. Sincerely, Donna


Hi Donna,

How did you research all the birthdates and the names of the Petticores?

Were they from actual American documents??

I am finding many "Adducci" manifests... maybe your Camilla Aduce was Camilla Adducce ?

or maybe Adduci...

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Camilla Adduci

Name: Camilla Adduci
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Age: 25
Port of Departure: Naples
Place of Origin: Italian
Ship Name: Sicilian Prince
Search Ship Database: Search the Sicilian Prince in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 25
Microfilm Serial: 15
Microfilm Roll: T715_382
Page Number: 94

Travels with Giuseppe...

Name: Camilla Adduci
Birth: abt 1878
Departure: Naples
Arrival: 8 Sep 1903 - New York, New York

Name: Camilla Adduci
Birth: abt 1878
Departure: Naples
Arrival: 12 Aug 1903 - New York, New York

To view these records... see Ancestry.com... they are free to view till the end of the month....

kind of ran out of steam.. can link these later this morning...

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I am also finding a relationship with the "Mitidieri's and the Adducci's" of Alessandria.... all off to Kensingston, Ill...
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Found this from the Ellis Island data base...

Pettacora,Francesco Alessandro Del Carrette 1899 24 1875 (a tailor, off to brother Salvatore in Chicago...)

.. maybe the surname is Pittacora....
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Here is a manifest of a Salvatore Pittacora off to join a brother Francesco... also travels with a Leonardo Adducci

http://stevemorse.org/goulnik/match1.ph ... &dwpdone=1

Hope this helps some... both surnames are quite the challenge to research...

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Postby Esperanza » 26 Nov 2006, 09:44

Here is another manifest with a Pittacora and Adducci...

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2622050582

First Name: Guiseppe
Last Name: Pittacora
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Mar 30, 1903
Age at Arrival: 17y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Sardegna
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0010

First Name: Alessandro
Last Name: Adducci
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Mar 30, 1903
Age at Arrival: 24y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Sardegna
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0011

Please see line 11.....

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Nov 2006, 15:57

Took a look at this last night, found many manifest that "could be", but with the exception of one, none were going to Washington.

James the son has a manifest, but there was little to be had in way of info that you don't already know.

James was born in Washington in 1894.......do you know if the family lived elsewhere prior to his birth??

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Nov 2006, 16:06

Info on James WW1 draft registration indicates he is supporting his father:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about James Petticore
Name: James Petticore
City: Not Stated
County: Skagit
State: Washington
Birthplace: Washington
Birth Date: 20 Aug 1894
Roll: 1992014

The manifest for James must be his return from the war.....

it further states he is natural born.......so his mother would have to come into the states prior to his birth, the 1910 census also states Simon was widowed.......
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Postby wldspirit » 26 Nov 2006, 16:54

Here is a link to the 1900 census, listed under Petticord, James is 5 years of age, father is widowed......

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7865/simonwg3.jpg

so that narrows down the time frame for a manifest to be found....

also, there is microfilm available for the town of interest:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... ato+civile &columns=*,0,0

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Postby dloper3 » 26 Nov 2006, 17:51

Thank you BOTH !!!
Here is where I got Simon's information:
U.S. Census > 1900 United States Federal Census > Washington > Skagit > Sedro-Woolley > District 198 13/18pp (Ancestry.com)
Simone declares year of immigration as 1888 in the 1910 census

Sedro Woolley Cemetery:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wasvgs/SWCemetery.htm
Site Name Birth Date Death Date

007-019 Petticore, Baby 03 Feb 1927 03 Feb 1927
007-019 Petticore, Frank L.
007-019 Petticore, Glen Vincent 1921 1922
007-019 Petticore, Simon 04 Mar 1842 09 Dec 1928

Pioneer Book of Skagit County -- N through S
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wasvgs/Databas ... opqrs.html
Petticore Frank L. 68 1954, May3

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Nov 2006, 18:00

I would think the correct spelling of the surname is ADUCCI, see the following site:

http://calabria.indettaglio.it/eng/moto ... lessandria del Carretto

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Postby dloper3 » 26 Nov 2006, 18:22

I am going through the leads you have provided, and very much appreciate your help. Is it possible to find online the community Church records or cemetery records? Do you think I can find the marriage of Mr. Petticora (Pettacora?) to Rose Mont and her death record through the local church or parish records? How do I find out how many churches were active in that town in 1870's - since that seems to be the first child born (Bridgette). So far, none of the Petticore/Pettacora ship manifests have a man old enough to be Simoen. I will also go to the Chicago area to see what I can find here - if that is where the bulk of immigrations for this surname headed.

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Nov 2006, 19:04

There are no searchable databases online in Italy comparable to what we have here in the US. There have been some transcribed records put online, but these are few and far between.

The best way to proceed is by gathering all US documents first, then using the microfilm....once you have exhausted those resources, you can send for records to the town of origin, as well as the local parish.

Based on James date of birth, and the 1900 census, Camilla has passed away between 1894 and 1900......I would send for a death record to Washington, this may reveal further clues.

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Postby dloper3 » 26 Nov 2006, 19:07

Perfect. I found the reference to the microfilm and am ordering that now. I haven't found Camila's death record yet - but I will follow that also.
You have been tremendous here with me. Thank you very much. - Donna

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Nov 2006, 19:29

Happy to help out.......there is still much research to be done, will take a look at further records later.

Would be interesting to know the exact name of Petticore......I have looked thru some databases, nothing definite yet.

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Postby wldspirit » 27 Nov 2006, 01:20

Thought you might find this of interest, listing for the surnames for the town of origin, also list how far back they originate.

http://digilander.iol.it/ektor1/cogind.htm
http://digilander.iol.it/ektor1/cogn4.htm

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Postby wldspirit » 27 Nov 2006, 13:29

I have tracked the family thru the 1900, 1910, and 1920 census in Washington.

With the exception of Anthony in the 1910 census, they are all present and accounted for.
All three boys registered for the draft and listed their wives as next of kin,
with the exception of James, who is not married at that time.

Bridget is married by 1900 to a Joseph Dibay and variations of that surname.

Washington State Birth Index 1900-1919
Name: George Dibay
Birth Date: 1907
Location: Skagit
Sex: Male
Race: White
Father's name: Joseph Dibay
Mother's name: Briget Petticore

Now here is where it gets interesting, Anthony had the following child with his wife, as well as one other child:

Washington State Birth Index 1900-1919
Name: Paul Nellis Petticore
Birth Date: 3 Jul 1917
Location: Skagit
Sex: Male
Race: White
Father's name: Anthony Petticore
Mother's name: Mame L Davis


But here are the children in the 1920 census in a childrens home in ILLINOIS.........
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2329 ... oredz5.jpg

So there is some connection to Illinois......quite the puzzle!!!

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Postby wldspirit » 27 Nov 2006, 14:26

You can send for the following record:

Last Name: Peticore
First Name: Saman
Middle Name:
Alias Name:
Naturalization ID: 20901
County: Skagit County
Document Type: Declaration of Intention
Other Document:
Volume: 1
Page Number: 73
Date of Birth:
Country of Origin:
Date of Entry to US:
Date of Document: 14 JAN 1893

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Searc ... Step3.aspx

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