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[Nicemusic]

Corrado,
thanks for the help...

The story of my ancestor is a little bit complicated.....

The address maybe is Chicago, right...
Thi Naturalization was released to the people that lived in place (5 years) I Think.
However, I ask you for the 8 (August)
Because could be some mistakes of transciption.

Maybe only coincidences...

He was born in 17/8/1869
and He arrived 4/24/1899

The passengerlist of 1899, give us the age of 30
1899 - 30 = 1869

Suanj find me the census of chicago (1930)
And he wrote 57 for the age
1930 - 57 = 1873

We have no luck searching for census of 1920 & 1910 in Chicago & New Orleans Records.

But... But...
I have a document of 1931. It's the "New York Central railRoad Mutual Relief Association" Fifht Renewal
There is the address of Chicago and the work...
corresponding with the census.
The "Strange News" is the name: Not "Andrea Amico",
But "Andrea Romeo". 8O
Another "Strange Thing", but i'm not sure.
There is Cleveland, O. Nov 1 1931

However when he returned in Italy (1932) for sell something, His age in
1939 is 70.
1939 - 70 = 1869

In a letter sent to the American Consulate, He wrote something about the family in "Usa" with the name of this persons.
A daughter born in N. Orleans 1906, a boy buried in usa and 3 nephews in California and a Sister.
He said the date of 1899 and the date of 1932...

The passengers list of 1946, give us the age of 73.
1946 - 73 = 1873

In 1946 he was in New York. And we know the address.
We have some letters... and from 1950 we have no news about he.

He was old, but no news, really non news... is something like Missing.

[Nicemusic]

Hi Corrado,
I have some questions about naturalization...

In this document that you find, are there some descriptions like, the wife, or sons... etc...?
I think 1873 is 60/70% the right record...

Or Can u search the name of the wife "Anna Genovese"?
Maybe there is a naturalization in the same year...

Or if you can suggest me something.
Thanks.

[corrado]

Estemed Nicemusic,

I would be happy to check out the wife, but I am almost sure we will find nothing. Here is how it worked in the usa prior to 1926 or thereabouts. The husband would naturalize and the rest of the family would then becomes citizens, that is ( I believe the wife) but certinally the childred under 18. After 1926 each person had to natualize themselves.
I am planning to go to the court house on Friday. I will also search for a Andrea Romeo plus his wife.

I am sorry the natualiztion records are not good, they don't list ones wife or children. I only looked at the index record, I will ask them to fetch the full file, but I am suspect there is no more information in there. If there is anything there I will skan it and put it out here.

I asked my friend who is a history buff of the street names and numbers about LaSalle. We in chicago changed the numbering in 1909, so perhaps that is an old street number, I don't know but when I find out I'll let you know.


Ahhh don't get me started on census records, they are incredably unrelialbe. The come to your door and ask you the questions, and you could say anything you wanted or just make up a story. This is what held me up for years. It says in my families census records that we are citizens, its a good thing I checked, either they didn't naturalize ( BRAVO)
or the record is lost (YEAAA). But thats a story for over a espresso when we meet.

[Nicemusic]

Hi Corrado,
For this kind of stories, is necessary a very slow & long espresso!

Well, now I know something new about: "how it worked in the usa prior to 1926 or thereabouts".

However if you find or not something, I thank u for the research...

About La Salle...
I read that only the people who had lived for five years in the same place were able to ask for the naturalization.
So if the naturalization is of the 1914, less 5 years, we have the year 1909.
Maybe the numbering were right...

For the name Romeo
I have this document of the railroad, a membership (1931). This paper say: Fifth renewal "Andrew Romeo".
Not a letter but a document.
In the census (1930), he wrote "Andrew Amico".
I do not succeed to explain myself how a person can give a name in a year and another .... one year later.
And if the document say: Fifth renewal... I think that for the 5 past years, his name was the same of the membership.

[corrado]

one other thing..... I havn't done this before, but I am going to see if it is possable to check the chancery court records for a name change. I will call a friend for help on this one. I don't know if it is possable without knowing the year it happened. And this of course would only be for Chicago (Cook) county.

Jon

[corrado]

Nicemusic,

OK I just had another idea , please check out this site
http://www.rrb.gov/mep/genealogy.asp
thats the railroad retirement genology site.

This two names is puzzeling..... I will keep looking.....

jon

[corrado]

I am desolated..... I was wrong, there is supposed to be more information on the files....... now i am really wanting to go to the archies

http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/A ... ldings.htm

[Nicemusic]

No Problem...

However the name I think was: "Andrea or Andrew Amico".
becasue I know he used it in NY (1946).

So, I really don't know why there is this "Andrea Romeo" on the railroad document.

[corrado]

ahhhhh the plot thickens..... you didn't tell me he lived on 25th Place. This is the area know as Chinatown. In the usa it seems that it is always next to little Italy... I can't explain that. If i get a chance, and problely not this week I can look up ownership of this property. At present it is owned by a chinese gentleman. In the bowels of the county court there are books with the past owners back to the fire in 1871. Here is a picture, but I don't know which one, the county took the picture and they are not know for great skill and care.... hehehe

Could you explain to me how you get these jpegs in your posts.... at any rate I attached it.... I hope!

[corrado]

well of skill , I can't figure out how to do this inserting a picture so here is the web site click on the 25th Place picture, that is the second one.
Sorrry it is so long.


http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/filin ... D%0A%0D%0A

[suanj]

great Corrado, right the second... I believe that nicemusic will be very happy! regards, suanj

[Nicemusic]

Great Corrado!!

Suan has reason... is the second pix... because there is (pl).
I don't know if it's the white house or the red house but you astonished me.

Well, I did not talk you about the address because it is of the 1931.
However In the census of the 1930 Andrew Amico had the same address of Andrea Romeo.

I Post u a Little Shot of this Census (1930).
(Amico Andrew 25th place, 249)



You can see the age 57 (1930-57=1873)
I remand you to my theory in the past posts.

So, this address was known as Chinatown in 30', but near Little Italy of Chicago. Interesting.

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[corrado]

Nicemusic,

Well it is serious and exciting experience to handle these documnets. For a second I was a bit jelous then I don't have one of these, but immediatily came to my senses and said thank you Lord that I don't!


So here is it. He was born on 17 August 1873 in Casteroreale ( as best as I can read the handwritting), though on the petition it is written as Cotrtessa Eurellina ( as close as I can read), wife Anna Amico , two children Antonio born Sept 5, 1900 in New York, and Emma born 12/6/1906 in New Orleans.
He came on the ship Sempiore in 1899 , the petiton is dated Feb 20, 1911 .

If you would like I can have them make a copy of the record and mail it to you.

From looking at the small part of the census you up, I think he rented so there is no point in looking at the ownership records.

I have been to the catholic chruch in chinatown, there is a priest from Italy that is pastor there, perhaps i should go to mass there and practice my italian.

It is south LaSalle street, I did a mapquest and as I though that street no longer exists at that place.

Well that was exciting! I enjoyed looking at that paper!

Jon

[corrado]

Oh by the way I took a quick look at the social security death index and nothing for antonio, on emma if she married I would have no idea on a last name. But you can look for yourself.

Here is the illinois death index to 1950
http://www.ilsos.gov/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html

social security death index
http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/


Jon

[corrado]

one more thing, were Andrea and Anna married in Italy or Chicago,
if chicago, I can do research on the marriage at the archdiocese. That is the best source of information I have found. As it gives the parents names.
Jon