Dual Citizenship / Dual Passport

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Dual Citizenship / Dual Passport

Postby tbottegal » 16 Aug 2002, 23:40

<!-- BBCode Start --><I>Below I\'ve copied the <!-- BBCode Start --><B>Dual Citizenship</B><!-- BBCode End --> thread from the old website - it contains some good general info that many visitors would be interested in.
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>tbottegal (7 posts) Aug-06-02, 09:54 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>\"Citizenship Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Hi,
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<BR>I am a US citizen eligible for claiming Italian citizenship through my father. Has anybody looked into the advantages and disadvantages of doing this?
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>tbottegal (7 posts) Aug-08-02, 09:08 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>1. \"RE: Citizenship Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>So far my research seems to indicate that for a US citizen the advantages of dual citizenship are few (primarily the ability to work in Italy) while the disadvantages are many (military obligations, tax and legal liabilities). See this link, for example:
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><A HREF="http://www.richw.org/dualcit/" TARGET="_blank">www.richw.org/dualcit/</A><!-- BBCode End -->
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>ptimber (1765 posts) Aug-09-02, 01:57 AM (Italian Time)
<BR>2. \"RE: Citizenship Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>as part of the overview which I have not read yet, I assume it also explains that Italian citizenship gives you EU citizenship as well and that you can traverse the borders of all the EU nations and establish residence in any of these countries more easily than an \"alien\". Peter
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>tbottegal (7 posts) Aug-09-02, 05:03 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>3. \"RE: Citizenship Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Good point Peter! As an Italian citizen, I think you can move between any EU country without a visa.
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<BR>Also, on further research, I find that my first message is in error: I\'m not \"eligible for Italian citizenship\" - I have been an Italian citizen since birth, although born in the US, by definition of Italian law under Category 1):
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<BR>So, by my reading I already have dual citizenship; it\'s just a matter of applying for an Italian passport.
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<BR>Note that there is a date restriction if you inherit through your mother rather than your father.
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>ptimber (1765 posts) Aug-09-02, 08:26 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>4. \"RE: Citizenship Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>according to that then even though my father and mother were born in the USA and did not renounce their italian citizenship and neither did my grandparents, then I too can apply for an Italian passport...although at this point in my life it is academic...like an old woman weighing herself. Peter
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>tbottegal (7 posts) Aug-11-02, 06:03 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>5. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Yes - I\'m having similar thoughts.
<BR>Although I plan to return to Italy for a few weeks in the spring (using a US passport), I have not seen a real advantage to having an Italian one also. As an Italian citizen, I guess I wouldn\'t have to turn over my passport every time I registered at a hotel, but the only way to prove I\'m Italian would be to show my Italian passport. I don\'t feel that handing over my US passport is that big of a burden.
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<BR>Also, I\'ve heard that none of the EU countries require US citizens to have a visa anymore, so I don\'t see any advantages to using an Italian passport to travel between them.
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<BR>Anybody with US & Italian passports have any experiences to report?
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>enerstec (1 posts) Aug-12-02, 02:36 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>6. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Hi,
<BR>maybe dual citizenship offers no great advantages for an american citizen, but it would be a great advantage for a third world country citizen. You wouldn\'t need visas to travel to a lot of countries, USA included, I guess.
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>ptimber (1765 posts) Aug-12-02, 02:46 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>7. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>it&#8217;s only a matter of time until the limo liberals and assorted left wing idiots and there socialist ideas destroy country and boundaries so that they can dominate the world with homogenized people idea and concentrate the power in the hands of \"committees\" and organizations which can be easily infiltrated and subverted. Peter
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>tbottegal (7 posts) Aug-12-02, 02:48 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>8. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>So, Peter - What would have been different for you (about an Italian passport) earlier in your life?
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>ptimber (1765 posts) Aug-12-02, 06:07 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>9. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Nothing really since I am by nature happy and horizontal and acquiring dual nationality would be work!!!(shudder). Peter
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>tbottegal (7 posts) Aug-16-02, 07:57 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>10. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Here is another site (mentioned by Peter in another thread) that talks about dual citizenship and passports:
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><A HREF="http://www.myitalianfamily.com/record/main_dualcitizen.htm" TARGET="_blank">www.myitalianfamily.com/record/main_dualcitizen.htm</A><!-- BBCode End -->
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<BR>It covers some of the positive aspects of recognizing both heritages. It also lists a book about the topic: \"How To Legally Obtain A Second Citizenship and Passport -- and Why You Want To\" by Adam Starchild
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>ptimber (1765 posts) Aug-16-02, 08:12 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>11. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Thanks for the accolade. Peter
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<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><B>tbottegal (7 posts) Aug-16-02, 08:18 PM (Italian Time)
<BR>12. RE: Dual Citizenship/Passport Advantages?\" </B><!-- BBCode End -->
<BR>Some interesting angles to consider:
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<BR>==> military conscription (for you and/or your children)
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<BR>==> taxes (does the other country make extraterritorial tax claims like the US does?)
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<BR>==> freedom to travel (restrictions on exit)
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<BR>==> freedom of expression, worship, etc. (including possible problems if your perfectly legal behavior within the US comes to the attention of the other country\'s officials)
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<BR>==> problems back in the US -- your US citizenship may not be at risk, but (for example) you might have problems getting a security clearance for sensitive government employment
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<BR>[ This message was edited by: Edmondo on 16-08-2002 18:40 ]
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<BR><BR><BR>[ This message was edited by: tbottegal on 25-08-2002 20:10 ]
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Postby Edmondo » 16 Aug 2002, 23:55

Thanks for posting this thread and please feel free to copy more interesting threads from the \"old\" website forum.
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Postby ptimber » 19 Aug 2002, 21:28

your points about taxes,conscription,travel,employment etc are well worth considering. Peter
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Postby ptimber » 25 Aug 2002, 18:34

For a complete description on becoming an Italian citizen go to:
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<BR> WWW.myitalianfamily.com......... Peter
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Postby ptimber » 25 Aug 2002, 21:22

The full information whether you meet the requirments of Italian citizneship can be obtained from:
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<BR>WWW,MYITALIANFAMILY.COM .
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<BR>This website will provide you with all the facts and offers assistance as well. Peter
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Postby ptimber » 23 Oct 2002, 05:02

There is a national healthcare system and like all socialist schemes heaslthcare can be good or bad depending on the vagaries of politics and not medicine. Peter
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Postby tbottegal » 11 Nov 2002, 01:32

Here is a link with some more thoughts about Italian health care: <BR> <BR><!-- BBCode Start --><A HREF="http://www.informer.it/index.asp?Page=health" TARGET="_blank">Informer</A><!-- BBCode End --> <BR> <BR>
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Postby JRaffa » 12 Apr 2003, 17:01

Two years ago I moved to Italy to claim my dual citizenship... it was the best thing I have ever done.
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Postby ptimber » 12 Apr 2003, 17:51

I am very pleased to hear such good news about relocating to Italy. It sounds tempting I must admit. Good Luck to you and "tante belle cose". Peter
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