Asia Minor DNA

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Asia Minor DNA

Postby Anizio » 25 Mar 2015, 22:03

Hello,

I got my FamilyFinder DNA results from FamilyTreeDNA.com and it included 24% Asia Minor genetic ethnicity. I know someone else who did the same test who lives in Italy and had 28% Asia Minor. Both of us are full-Italian ancestrally and other than the Asia Minor part, it is confirmed.

Could this be explained by the fact that the pre-Indo European peoples of Italy (colloquially called the Pelasgians) were supposedly migrants who came from Asia Minor?

I find this large percentage odd otherwise, and even more odd when it seems to be turning up in others people's results in the same amount. It is also a very high amount to explain unless it comes from many lines of my ancestry independently.

Anyone else experience this? Agree with my theory/disagree? Have some explanation?

Thanks
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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby Anizio » 26 Mar 2015, 07:44

Update: Surfing the internet I have found a number of Italians who have done DNA testing posting the same question, with 20-30% of their MyOrigins on FTDNA coming up as Asia Minor.

It seems very likely to me now that this represents a "deep ancestry" of the Italian people, pre-Indo European migration.

My theory would be the Asia Minor DNA for people who have full Italian ancestry represents the wave of migrations pre-Indo Europeans, such as the Rutuli, the North Picene, the Oenotri, and the generic term Pelasgi. Then what shows up as South European would be the actual Italian Indo European tribes such as the Latins, the Umbrians, the Sabines, etc. who only showed up in Italy 3-4,000 years ago.



Anyone with thoughts or similar results please reply
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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 06:27

What part of Italy did your ancestors come from?

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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby Anizio » 01 Apr 2015, 22:29

Mine are 55% from Marche, mostly the north of Marche, the rest are mostly Lazio and Abruzzo, and then about 7% is a mix of Como, Umbria, Romagna, and like .7% from Avellino.

Basically, not at all enough to justify anyone claiming Asia Minor DNA comes from being Southern - especially when Southern would give you some Arab DNA, not Asia Minor, and not the amounts I'm talking about. I have seen similar results in other people from Calabria to Marche....no way all Italians should have 20-40% Asia Minor DNA, and ONLY Asia Minor without other mixes.

Being from Marche, with the theory that the Northern Piceni people, who would have lived in Pesaro e Urbino, it would make sense that the DNA is actually pre-Indo European DNA.

Otherwise, I can find no explanation for why so many Italians, from all over, have such consistent levels of Asia Minor DNA from FamilyTreeDNA (not showing up on other companies tests).

Any attempt to link it with being Southern is fallacious. Plus, I have 4th and 5th cousins showing up in places like Chieti, Pesaro e Urbino, Camerino, the exact places they should be showing up to support the fact that I do not have some secret recent Turkish ancestor - not that that would explain it anyway since, again, this seems to be showing up in other Italian's FamilyTreeDNA results too and no one there seems to have an explanation :s
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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby carubia » 02 Apr 2015, 06:08

Since only one company is getting this result it sounds suspicious. I can think of a way that Southern Italians, particularly Sicilians, might have "Asia Minor DNA": Asia Minor used to largely be Greek, and certainly so was Sicily.

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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby Anizio » 02 Apr 2015, 14:27

My thoughts exactly. Since the pre-Indo European populations of Italy, south of Luca and Rimini, Greece, and Western Anatolia, were all of the same ethnic group which spread from Anatolia west, my only explanation is that there is a strong genetic footprint of these people in Italy.

For Sicilians it would be the Elymi, Sicani, and Siculi peoples and should have the highest concentrations of this DNA. But it should be present to varying degrees throughout Italy. I'm surprised, with all the news stories and research on Neanderthal DNA that no one has done research into the mixture of Indo-European DNA and pre-Indo European DNA, especially in Italy which is constantly called a genetic island. :/
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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby carubia » 03 Apr 2015, 03:50

Actually, genetic studies of Sicilians have found them to be mainly Greek with only a small contribution from the earlier indigenous people, except for parts of Trapani.

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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby 113yearslater » 10 Apr 2015, 00:36

This is the thing with these DNA tests, though -- they are all guesses. What does it even mean ot have X percent "Asia Minor DNA" when someone from Asia Minor is probably looking at their results going, "How did I wind up with Y percent East Asian?" We're ALL mixes. Humans have been fraternizing for a long time.

I remember watching a really illuminating talk from Roots Tech a year or so back by a fellow who was talking about this. He got his own DNA sequenced by something like four companies, and his results were:

1) All British.
2) No British.
3) British and French.
4) Totally from Spain.

So it's not that one company is suspect -- they ALL are. They're all guessing.

This dude also said that there were REAL studies done, academic ones and not ones where someone was trying to sell something to you from a commercial company, where a bunch of geneticists found a group of people that had been isolated for tens of thousands of years and tried to isolate something in their DNA that would flag it as being from them, one little genetic marker that was found ONLY in this one small tribe that had only been intermarrying for the past bezillion years. They couldn't find anything -- they couldn't find one single gene that was present in these people that wasn't found elsewhere as well.

Humans have been mixing it up for a looooong time. These DNA tests are just not going to tell us what we want them to tell us. We're all mixtures of mixtures.

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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby Santar » 06 May 2016, 22:29

Geno 2.0 has me 14% asia minor. My italian parent is all italian from abruzzo.

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Re: Asia Minor DNA

Postby AGandolfo » 01 Jun 2016, 20:20

I just got my DNA results done & they seemed pretty accurate. Based on verbal family lore my breakdown makes sense. My niece had her DNA done & she came up as close relation. My mother & brother are doing the same. Based on the ancestry connections I made it's pretty accurate.

Ever since cloud technology, DNA analyses have gotten far more detailed & sophisticated. I have a 23andme kit. I will post back if it does not come back as match.


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