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Surname - Begnone

Postby DeniseMcKenna » 28 Aug 2008, 04:18

My Great Grand Father Peter Begnone was born in Grozn, Province of Lombardy Italy on the 25th January 1864 and arrived here in Australia by the S S Cuzco on the 29th April 1888.

He died in Beechworth Victoria, Australia on the 2nd August 1949 aged 85.

I have obtained the Certificate of Naturalization details and the Marriage and Death certificates however I am finding it difficult to locate his Birth Certificate.

I would truly appreciate any help in regard to how I can obtain my Great Grandfather's Birth Certificate please?

Also, the Passenger List indicating his details would indeed be most helpful in my research.

Thank you for any assistance, Ms Denise McKenna of Australia.

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Postby PeterTimber » 28 Aug 2008, 05:03

There is a problem which you may be able to clarify so that I can direct you correctly and appropriately.GROZNY does not exist in Italy much less Lombardia region. Possible that the name was changed but there are too many possibilities when translating Grozny to an Italian. I look forward to hearing from you. =Peter=

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Postby DeniseMcKenna » 28 Aug 2008, 23:54

Hi Peter,

Peter Begnone's birth place stated on his Certificate of Naturalizatiion is as Grozn, Province of Lombardy Italy. If this is incorrect, I'm not sure where to go to from here.

Discussing this matter further I've since learnt...
Peter Begnone's birth place may have been Grozia in Northern Italy? Apparently close by to a Pufume Factory?

Further to this he may have changed his name from Peter Begnone to Peter BIGNONE before or upon arriving here in Australia!?!

So sorry Peter for not being more precise. I do appreciate your help.

Many thanks, Ms Denise McKenna.

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Postby PeterTimber » 29 Aug 2008, 03:01

Firstly BIGNONE is the correct spelling and is found in 54 cities,towns and villages thruout northern Italy. Begnone does not exist at this time so it is safe to say that Bignone appears to not be a change of name but the correct surname.
GROZN does not appear to exist in Italy much less Lombardia region. Perhaps the spelling of the town can be clarified by someone familiar with Italy where you reside. =Peter=

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Postby PeterTimber » 29 Aug 2008, 03:21

GROZN is a town in Slovenia which adjoins Italy but it is far to the east of Lombardy region so maybe your information is incorrect. =Peter=

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Postby DeniseMcKenna » 31 Aug 2008, 17:13

Hi Peter,

Ok, thanks so much for your feedback.

I'll continue to research my Family History through Libraries etc and hopefully find more specific details of my great Grand Father's Birth place somewhere out there.

Kindest regards,
Ms. Denise McKenna.

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Postby pink67 » 02 Sep 2008, 19:24

Hi Denise,

I would like to give you my little, little help... don't know if it can be useful, but in the doubt....

I read all the 8 pages of your great-grandfather's naturalization papers on the site of the National Archives of Australia:

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx

on page number 7 Peter signed the documents as Peter Bignone

on page number 6 Peter Begnone declared to be born on January 25, 1864 in " Grozu" province of Lombardy in the country of Italy...

As PeterTiber wrote, Grozn doesn't exist in Italy, neither Grozu but I found that there is a little Comune in Lombardia Region called Grosio (4.820 inhabitants, Sondrio Province) ....
Moreover, the italian pronunciation of the "s" of Grosio is almost like the "z" pronunciation...
Don't want to create illusion but, why don't ask to this little comune if they have Civil records for the year of birth of Peter?

From this useful site:

http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/cognomi/cognomi.html

you can also see that the Bignone actually in Lombardy region are only a few people

Number of Bignone: 5.28 Cologno Monzese - Milano
Number of Bignone: 4.74 Varese - Varese
Number of Bignone: 2.62 Arzago d`Adda - Bergamo
Number of Bignone: 2.29 Milano - Milano

Maybe writing to these persons can help too....
From the italian whitepages:

http://www.paginebianche.it/index.html

the Bignone actually listed are 191... mostly of them in Liguria region... but as in 1864 Lombardia region was very well defined I think that very likely your great-grandfather was just from Lombardia...
This is a map of Italy during the year 1861:
http://users.dickinson.edu/~rhyne/232/Five/Map1861.html

I hope I didn't made confusion ...
Laura

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Postby PeterTimber » 02 Sep 2008, 20:14

Dear Laura you are a sweetheart! I also came across Grosio but your reaction was tha same as mine...Grosio (wouldn't thatsolve all our problems if we could declare EUREKA! Thats it!) but alas its not to be. =Peter=

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Postby DeniseMcKenna » 03 Sep 2008, 13:42

Hi Laura,

Looking at The Naturalization Documents again more closely Peter BEGNONE did sign his name as Peter BIGNONE. One must look carefully to notice this. I thank you for pointing this out. :D

The little Commune in Lombardia Region called Grosio could very well be his Birth Place. I'll do as you suggest and enquire if they have Civil Records for the year of Birth for Peter.

I appreciate very much the Link you provided also to the Unification of Italy through March 17, 1861. The State Library of Victoria here in Melbourne, Australia may have copies of the Map as well. So my next adventure shall be to visit the Library to enquire.

Have a wonderful day.

Many, many thanks Laura !!!!! :)

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Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2008, 16:29

You're welcome Denise... :D
Just trying to give help...
Do you know other details even if little about Peter Bignone??? For example do you know his parents names?
On his death certificate (if you have it) there is his town of birth? Maybe another mispelled name can help :wink:

Laura

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Postby DeniseMcKenna » 04 Sep 2008, 02:34

Hello Laura,

I've attached for you to view my Great Grandfather Peter Begnone/Bignone's Death Certificate.

Stated on there is - Father, Peter Begnone, Farmer. Mother, Maria Begnone formerly Sassela.

My GGF was born in Italy and had lived here in Victoria Australia 61 Years.

As you can see there is a discrepancy in regard to is his surname...
Begnone or Bignone.

It's all good though, this project [ Family History ] is just so captivating / intriguing that I look forward this, my Family Research journey.

And, who knows I may visit Italy sometime in the future to extend it further. :)

Kindest regards, Ms Denise McKenna.

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Postby pink67 » 04 Sep 2008, 07:10

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Denise,

I checked the site:

http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/cognomi/cognomi.html

unfortunately the surname Sassela doesn't exist but found that the last name Sassella is present in Grosio..... (first in Brosio than in other Comunes!)
In Lombardia region:
The "sassella" surname occours in 21 out of 1545 towns.

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58.80 Grosio Sondrio
30.03 Talamona Sondrio
16.03 Milano Milano
14.88 Bormio Sondrio
14.76 Sondalo Sondrio
4.90 Tirano Sondrio
4.14 Montalto Pavese Pavia
2.72 Valdisotto Sondrio
2.68 Arcisate Varese
2.66 Cantu` Como
2.65 Bulgarograsso Como
2.61 Chiari Brescia
2.60 Tovo di Sant`Agata Sondrio
2.59 Inveruno Milano
2.53 Morbegno Sondrio
2.51 Motta Visconti Milano
2.42 Montagna in Valtellina Sondrio
2.40 Lecco Lecco
2.35 Bellano Lecco
2.33 Voghera Pavia
2.18 Casteggio Pavia

I think these are more than coincidences.... :wink:

I checked also http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... umns=*,0,0 just to see if they have microfilm about Grosio and yes, they have the Civil Registration but beginning from 1866... :cry:

Topic Italy, Sondrio, Grosio - Civil registration

Titles Registri dello stato civile, 1866-1929 Grosio (Sondrio). Ufficio dello stato civile

Nati 1866-1887
FHL INTL Film
2164938 Item 5

Nati 1888-1910 -- Pubblicazioni 1866-1910
FHL INTL Film
2164939 Items 1 - 2

Matrimoni 1866-1910 -- Morti 1866-1910
FHL INTL Film
2164940 Items 1 - 4

Allegati 1873-1905
FHL INTL Film
2140366 Item 6

Nati 1911-1926
FHL INTL Film
2097927 Item 8

Nati 1927-1929 -- Pubblicazioni 1911-1929 -- Matrimoni 1911-1919 -- Morti 1911-1929
VAULT INTL Film
2097928 Items 1 - 4

Allegati 1911-1925
VAULT INTL Film
2143154 Items 2 - 3

Allegati 1926-1929
FHL INTL Film
2143155 Item 1

Indici decennali 1866-1929
FHL INTL Film
2143404 Item 22

So, perhaps it's better ask for Peter Baptismal act to the church of Grosio....
In Grosio there are these two Churches:

Chiese e altri edifici religiosi grosini
Chiesa di San Giorgio (XIII secolo)
Chiesa Parrocchiale di San Giuseppe

:? Laura

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Postby uantiti » 04 Sep 2008, 07:48

Dear Denise,
the correct spelling for your GGF' wife is SASSELLA and this family name exists in Grosio and in the province of Sondrio.
What I want to add (as a possible explanation and little help) is that in Italy, besides Italian language, we have many different dialects changing from town to town. At the time your GGF emigrated, people used much more dialects rather than Italian. I know enough Lombardy's dialects as my father came from there, so GROSIO pronounced in dialect sounds "Grosiu".
In 1864 not all communes had started to use Civil Registration so I suggest you also write to the parish in Grosio :

Parrocchia di San Giuseppe
Via Pruneri, 9
23033 GROSIO (So)

and ask if they can help you to find a birth act concerning PIETRO BIGNONE.

Hope this helps.

Regards Ada

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Postby uantiti » 04 Sep 2008, 07:52

Ciao Pink
Abbiamo avuto la stessa idea ma tu hai fatto meglio!

Ada

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Postby pink67 » 04 Sep 2008, 07:57

:D :D :D GRAZIE Ada!!!!

Avevo il sentore che Grosio fosse il posto giusto in cui cercare, tu hai dato la conferma... credo che Denise sarà felicissima!
Speriamo che il parroco di Grosio sia disponibile a cercare per lei, la data di nascita c'è :wink: ....

Laura :D


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