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Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby MIke-z » 04 Sep 2008, 00:44

Hi I have a payed for account on ancestry.com and have gathered alot of info except when it comes ot out of country things, and most of my family came from italy so I need some help getting italian info.

One person in specific I need info on is Pasqualena(Pasqualina?) Ragna (D'Amato married name) born 10 JUN 1869 in Montemiletto, Avellino, Italy and died in 3 FEB 1954 in Asbury Park, Monmouth, New Jersey,USA. Other info would include that she immigrated to The usa in 1907(according to 1910 census) she probably whent threw ellis island but I am not shure. She married some man with the last name of D'Amato some time in Italy and had children Angelo Michael D'Amato and Carmen D'Amato (possibly more?) The man she married died before she got to america so i cant find his name or anything.

Anyone who could tell me how to get italian Cencus records and marriage and birth certificates for these people would be a big help.
ty for reading

also if anyone could help me with the origin of Ragna and D'Amato family names
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby PeterTimber » 04 Sep 2008, 01:10

Dear Mike you can have all the information you are seking in the microfilm of the civil records for Montemiletto, (province of Avellino) covering allbirths,marriages and deaths from 1809 to 1900.

Go to www.familysearch.org for the location of the nearest family history library of the Mormon church and rent out the microfilm for about $5.00 and they supply the equipment,copy machines and the microfilm for your use.

May I suggest you bring along a book DISCOVERIN YOUR ITALIAN ANCESTORS by Luynn Nelson and a m,gnifying glass to read the hand written records which you may need from time to time.

In the event youmay want only specific records likebirth records, marriage records, Family status certificates showing the entire compstion of any one family headed by the father etc etc. The service is free and Italian language form letters are available at www.mangeruca.com along with the Montemiletto address.

Don't hesitate to get back if you have any more questions. =Peter=
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby misbris » 04 Sep 2008, 01:14

Her is a manifest for a Pasqualine Ragno travelling with her daughter M. Teresa D'Amato. Is this who you are looking for?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0022

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http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0022
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby MIke-z » 04 Sep 2008, 01:44

Misbris that must be it Theresa D'Amato is my great grandma, so i guess others didnt come with her or dont exist idk, thank you for your help now i just need to disifer this cryptic script lol(it gets hard for i am dislexic)

And as for what peter sayed, To rent a the microfilms would i have to be in Italy? if so i dont plan on going there for a few years, and both your links confused me all i got from the second link was the postage code for Montimiletto. Can i find Italian cencuses online or can i send the library a letter to get the info, where to send or find?
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby misbris » 04 Sep 2008, 14:57

Mike,
The manifest has a lot of information that might help in your search. For example:

Pasqualina Ragno left her father Angelo Ragno in Montimiletto.

Her daughter's full name was Maria Teresa D'Amato, 5 years old at the time.

She was going to her betrothed, Giovanni Brogna at 500 Jefferson Street, Hoboken, NJ.

I'll take a look for the other children.
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby PeterTimber » 04 Sep 2008, 18:54

Dear Mike I am very sorry for your trouble in not understandingme when I explained the proper procedures in obtaining information you are seeking. I am sorry but I cannot understand some of the words of what you are saying so would you please explain it to me once again. Maybethis time I willbe able to grasp it and assist you properly. Your friend =Peter=
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby MIke-z » 04 Sep 2008, 19:07

Peter, I was trying to say that I couldn't find info on the relatives that I want to, The info I want is Birth,Marriage, And or Census records, and I was wondering where to get those, and if I had to be in Italy too find them or if there was a website/ somewhere I could send a letter or email to retrieve these records from Italy.
And thanks again Misbris, I am looking more into the document for all of its info
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby misbris » 04 Sep 2008, 19:18

Mike,

May I suggest that you get all your American research done first and then it will be a lot easier to get Italian records.

You now know Pasqualina's correct last name, her father's name and an approximate year of birth.

You now know Maria Teresa's name and approximate year of birth. Her birth certificate can be obtained from Italy. That will give you her father's and grandparents name.

I couldn't find records for the other children, do you think they remained in Italy? Is Brogna the correct last name of the man she married? Or did she remain a widow?
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby MIke-z » 05 Sep 2008, 04:00

On Pasquelina I have a 1910 census.=>
Name: Pasqualena Brown
Age in 1910: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's Name: John
Home in 1910: Asbury Park Ward 1, Monmouth, New Jersey
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Year of Immigration: 1907
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Brown 52
Pasqualena Brown 42
Carmen Brown 14 < relationship to head of house, adopted Fathers birth place Italy
Theresa Brown 8 < relationship to head of house, adopted same^
Rosena Brown 1 3/12 < relationship to head of house, Daughter same^


From what I got from other people she also married a Giovannantonio Brogna which you said was in the manifest but then how did she go from Mr. brogna to Mr. Brown when Mr. brogna was still alive, and where would the D'Amato come in(Theresa D'Amato?)?Cousin or other relitive i guess.
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2008, 12:59

Hi....

Could it be the 1920 census for the family?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Ande Brown
Name: Ande Brown
[Auda Brown]
Home in 1920: Asbury Park Ward 1, Monmouth, New Jersey
Age: 60 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Leona perhaps Lena (short of Pasqualina?)
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1892
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 124
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ande Brown 60 born Italy, immigr. 1892
Leona Brown 50 born in Italy, immigr. 1892 :?:
Rose Brown 10 born in New Jersey
Annie Brown 8 3/12 born in New Jersey
Tessie Deimants 18 right spell D'Amato? maybe Teresa? step-daughter born in New Jersey :?
Angelo Deimants 24 Right spell D'amato, step-son, born in Italy, immigrat. in 1909

I know there are many incorrects dates but I think it's the right family...

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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby vj » 05 Sep 2008, 12:59

Hi Mike,
In case you haven’t seen these.
Sometimes it’s helpful to look at family trees that include your family.
Unfortunately they can contain misinformation and false assumptions,
but the authors can turn out to be relatives
Even if the trees don’t list sources, they can be great starting points for your research.
After locating your census records in the US, you can use the information to find
other vital records.
Valarie

Here are two from rootsweb:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin ... 33&id=I479

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin ... de&id=I103
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edit:added
another tree from GenCircles with source info
http://www.gencircles.com/users/aflach/1/data/88
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby vj » 05 Sep 2008, 14:44

Giovannantonio Brogna & 1st wife?

possible 1900 census
Home in 1900:

Second Ave, rents house
Neptune, Monmouth, New Jersey

Head John Brown 35, b. Nov 1864 IT
- married 20 yrs, abt 1880
- immig 1892, Na
Wife Lena Brown 35, b. Dec 1864 IT
- 7 children
- immig 1894
Daughter Jennie Arbon 16, b. Apr 1884 IT
- immig 1894
Son-in-law Toney Arbon 22, b. May 1878 IT
- immig 1896
Daughter Julia Brown 15, b. Feb 1885 IT
- immig 1894
Son Frank Brown 13, b. Mar 1887 IT
- immig 1896
Daughter Olena Brown 10, b. Dec 1889 IT
- immig 1896
Daughter May Brown 7, b. Jun 1892 IT
- immig 1896
Daughter Carmell Brown 4, b. Nov 1895 PA or NJ?
Daughter Amelia Brown 2, b. Dec 1897 NJ
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2008, 14:59

Possible Angelo D'Amato World War I Enlistment?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Angelo Demarto Damato
Name: Angelo Demarto Damato
City: Not Stated
County: Monmouth
State: New Jersey
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1896 :?:
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1712355
DraftBoard: 4

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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby vj » 05 Sep 2008, 15:15

Giovannantonio Brogna & Pasqualina Ragna D'Amato?

possible 1930 census

Home in 1930:
179 Elberon Ave, rents
Long Branch, Monmouth, New Jersey

Head John Brown 65
- 1st marriage age 23
- immig 1892, Pa
- gardener, private estate
Wife Lena Brown 60
- 1st marriage age 28
- immig 1908
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Re: Pasqualena Ragna info

Postby vj » 05 Sep 2008, 15:27

MIke-z wrote:Misbris that must be it Theresa D'Amato is my great grandma


just for reference
Maria Theresa D'Amato?

possible 1930 census

Home in 1930:
Brockton Ave, rents
Neptune, Monmouth, New Jersey

Head Joseph E Warren 25, abt 1905 NJ
- married age 19, abt 1924
- gardener, landscape
Wife Theresa Warren 25, abt 1905 IT
- immig 1909
Son Frank J Warren 5, abt 1925 NJ
Son Angelo M Warren 4, abt 1926 NJ
Son Joseph Warren 3, abt 1927 NJ
Daughter Margaret T Warren 1 8/12, abt 1928 NJ
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