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looking for my great grandfather...

Postby mirko » 08 Sep 2008, 17:37

hi everyone, my name is Mirko i'm from Emilia Romagna, Italy.
I'm 32 years old, well, first i start my story, is there someone that can speak italian??? my english is not very good.

anyway, i have found great grandfather informations only a few nonths ago, my family and i don't knew anything on him, so now we would like to know many other informations on him.

well, i can say:

Montesi Nazareno

he arrived in N.Y. the 29th of june 1913, i saw that in Ellis Island site

he worked in bourgh of Alpha N.J. - Alpha cement factory, is possible???

he lived in Phillipsburg, N.J. - he died in the same town the fourth of july 1920 - (Warren county)

he was buried in cemetery of Alpha the sixth of july 1920 - death certificate n° 4174

i think i have many informations, but first i go to New Jersey, i would like to know if is there in u.s.a. any associations that could help me, or where i should go to take the object of my great grand father, in particulary the documents or passport of him or other things that he did have.

i hope i have written well enough...

" if i can help some italian/american people in u.s.a. for serching of relatives in italy, there is no problem"

thank you all, too mutch, good bye.

my e-mail mirkop76@gmail.com

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Re: looking for my great grandfather...

Postby PeterTimber » 08 Sep 2008, 20:22

Caro Mirko se vuole chiedere per una ricerca in Italiano mene acontentero per quanto potessi fare. =Peter=

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Re: looking for my great grandfather...

Postby misbris » 08 Sep 2008, 21:18

Hi and welcome to the forum :D

Here is a site that might be interesting to you.


http://www.wcchc.org/views2.htm

Your English is very understandable. :lol:

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Re: looking for my great grandfather...

Postby misbris » 08 Sep 2008, 21:32

Could this possibly be a relative?

MARIA MONTESI
01 Jul 1881
Mar 1969 07863
(Oxford, Warren, NJ)
154-12-5605 New Jersey

It is a social security death record.



For reference,
Nazarino's manifest.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0025

P2http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/pop ... &line=0025

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Re: looking for my great grandfather...

Postby mirko » 08 Sep 2008, 22:49

Hi everybody..
wow, a plenty of fast answers, thank you very much to all...

to peter: if you want we can speak italian language...
possiamo darci del tu??
come dicevo, ho recuperato molte informazioni presso l'anagrafe della mia citta e presso l'ufficio di stato civile, ora non mi rimane che partire.

"se posso ci terrei a raccontare tutta la storia"
il perchè della mia curiosità??
la cosa buffa è che la mia nonna, figlia appunto di Nazareno Montesi una volta che lui partii non ne seppe piu niente e da come mi raccontava neanche sua moglie ne seppe piu niente.
Lei raccontava che forse lui potesse essere morto in nave, potete capire ora la nostra grande meraviglia nello scoprire che sbarcò sano e salvo a N.Y. da quel punto poi ho continuato le ricerche e sono arrivato a Phillipsburg N.J. e il cimitero di Alpha, ecco tutto.
La mia ultima domanda ora è: una volta che sarò arrivato a Phillipsburg o ad Alpha come posso continuare la mia ricerca senza perdere troppo tempo o senza dover tornare indietro senza nulla in mano??
con me ho tutti i documenti di cui ho bisogno per dimostrare la mia parentela, e anche lo stato di morte.
Vorrei sapere se si è risposato se ha avuto figli...capite??
sarebbe molto importante..e dato che ho saputo che in america non esiste l'archivio anagrafe, non saprei dove andare a cercare, mi hanno detto di cercare la social security card puo essere??
altra cosa sarei molto interessato nel trovare cose rimaste di sua proprietà, ad esempio fotografie, documenti, ecc...

thank you also to misbris, i don't know if you can or want speak italian, anyway, i have rather wrote in italian language for now.
-Maria Montesi shouldn't be a relative of Nazareno Montesi, anyway i hope to find many informations that i can, so that i could leave more safe in my-self..
may i make a question ??
you are american both??

thank you a lot...
see you soon, bye.

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Re: looking for my great grandfather...

Postby PeterTimber » 08 Sep 2008, 23:51

Io sono americano di origine Italiano. Non so niente de la Misbris.

Negli Stati Uniti una persona, specialmente in quei giorni, poteva nascere in una borgata, arrivare per abitare, sposare, aver figli, e morire in diverse borgate e per trovare informazioni bisogna iniziare una ricerca secondaria. Vuol dire Censimenti, archivi di cittadinanza Americana, ricerca si era padrone di casa, la chiesa parrocchiale, cose di questo genere.

Si puo iniziare ricerche per il Computer avendo l'informazione ci ha fornito a questo foro. Credo che lei sa gia tutto questo ma non vuolevo sorvegliare il basico informazione per essere sicuro che ci capiamo.

Ho studiato in Italia molti anni fa nella Universita di perugia per i stranieri e dopo tant'anni mio italiano ha sofferto!!! =Peter=

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Postby misbris » 09 Sep 2008, 01:14

I am also an American of Italian decent. All my grandparents were from Campania. I can understand Italian and read a little, but to speak I only know dialect. I am trying to learn more Italian, so it is okay for you to use Italian. I will ask if I don't understand what you are saying.

Did your bisnonna come to America? I see on the manifest her name was Ersilia. Cognome ?

I found another manifest. Is this another trip for you bisnonno?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018

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Re: looking for my great grandfather...

Postby misbris » 09 Sep 2008, 01:27

I know this is very strange, but I think this is Nazarino (with a very badly spelled last name) in the 1920 census.

Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year

GUNNPIES NAZARINO 28 M W ITAL NJ WARREN ALPHA BORO 1920



I don't have access to Ancestry, so maybe vj or someone else could post the actual census. It is worth a look.

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Postby vj » 09 Sep 2008, 01:43

misbris wrote:I know this is very strange, but I think this is Nazarino (with a very badly spelled last name) in the 1920 census.

Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year

GUNNPIES NAZARINO 28 M W ITAL NJ WARREN ALPHA BORO 1920



I don't have access to Ancestry, so maybe vj or someone else could post the actual census. It is worth a look.


mj,
here's the link:
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Re: looking for my great grandfather...

Postby misbris » 09 Sep 2008, 02:28

Hey vj,

Thanks for the link. I hope Mirko can take a look and see what she thinks.

MJ

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Postby PeterTimber » 09 Sep 2008, 02:42

Nazareno Montesi was born in 1871 and died in July 1920 at age 49 and apparently died in Phillipsburgh, in Warren County NJ. The 1920 census which VJ so kindly sent was takenin January 1920 when he was still alive but the census does not have any record of him on the page..from what I can see. =Peter=

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Postby PeterTimber » 09 Sep 2008, 14:03

Caro Mirko sono molto contento che lei ha trovato il cimiterio di Nazareno Montesi ieri il 8 di Settembre. Lui si trova nel cimiterio SAINTS PETER and PAUL BYZANTINE CATHOLIC CEMETARY, ALPHA, WARREN COUNTY, NJ USA

E sepulito dov'e un Pietro e Maria Montesi sono anche sepulito.

Se vuole che continuo la ricerca mi fa sapere qui nel foro. Se volete che spedico le fotografie mi fa sapere. =Peter=

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Postby PeterTimber » 09 Sep 2008, 14:09

Caro/a (?) Mirko una cosa di piu. Ho parlato con la biblioteca nel Phillipsburgh ed erano molto gentile. Mi diceva un'impiegata che ha vissuto nel ALPHA quando era fanciulla e eandato a scuola con uno DENI MONTESI ma non sapeva niente di piu. =Peter=

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Postby misbris » 09 Sep 2008, 14:49

RE: 1920 Census

The last entry on 128 Seventh Avenue is for a boarder whose first name is Nazarino and whose last name is horribly garbled. Alpha was a tiny, tiny, town so I don't think there were many residents with the name Nazareno. :wink: It looks like he was a pit man in a foundry. That is why I want Mriko to look at the entry.

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Postby PeterTimber » 09 Sep 2008, 15:51

Wrong age for the Nazareno..He is listed at age 28 while the Nazareno Montesi was aged 49 at time of census in january 1920 and who died in July of that year. I did not think it worthy of mention because of the age discrepancy. =Peter=


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