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Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby kennyallie » 04 Dec 2008, 05:46

Hopefully someone can help. I am trying to locate a Birth Certificate from my Great Grandfather. His name is Carlo Schiano and he was born in Naples. We do not know what town. He was born abt 1876. His fathers name was Antonio Schiano and His mother was Angelina DeBiase. Immigrated to NY arounf 1911. Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby wldspirit » 04 Dec 2008, 09:15

Have you located a ship manifest? Did he naturalize?
Both of these could list the exact town of origin.
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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby kennyallie » 04 Dec 2008, 09:20

He never naturalized. Still trying to find out which ship he came over on

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby PeterTimber » 04 Dec 2008, 12:33

There is no carlo Schiano on Ellisisland.org website but there is one who should have been considered arriving on June 28, 1906 on the SS Italia and listed as being 38 years of age (born 1868) and in agriculture. =Peter==

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby suanj » 04 Dec 2008, 14:58

kennyallie wrote:Hopefully someone can help. I am trying to locate a Birth Certificate from my Great Grandfather. His name is Carlo Schiano and he was born in Naples. We do not know what town. He was born abt 1876. His fathers name was Antonio Schiano and His mother was Angelina DeBiase. Immigrated to NY arounf 1911. Any help is appreciated.

you can give us more details? where he lived in USA? name wife? children? regards, suanj
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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby kennyallie » 04 Dec 2008, 22:37

He lived in NYC, and had a wife named Filomena Picarillo. We have the marriage certificate, death certificate, and a letter from Homeland Security that he was never naturalized in USA. We need to find the birth cert. We just can't find what town he was from. We know that he left from Naples. Thanks All for your help

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby PeterTimber » 04 Dec 2008, 23:43

If you state that you have his marriage certificate and death certificate why do you say he was born "ABOUT" 1876???? You should be able to state the exact uyear of birth from those documents unless they specifically say "About" before the year of birth or age on the documents you mention. =Peter=

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Postby misbris » 05 Dec 2008, 01:04

Or they have different years listed. :wink:

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Postby PeterTimber » 05 Dec 2008, 03:52

Good point misbris! we await the answer in anxious anticipation. =Peter=

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby suanj » 05 Dec 2008, 06:29

kennyallie wrote:He lived in NYC, and had a wife named Filomena Picarillo. We have the marriage certificate, death certificate, and a letter from Homeland Security that he was never naturalized in USA. We need to find the birth cert. We just can't find what town he was from. We know that he left from Naples. Thanks All for your help


hoping helpful for other members:
Carlo married in 1914 in Manhattan
Schiana Carlo Sep 21 1914 Manhattan
&
Picariello Filomena Maupee Sep 21 1914
....
perhaps this is 1920 census:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Earle Sciana
Name: Earle Sciana
[Carlo Sciana]
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 2, New York, New York
Age: 40 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny
[Mary]
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1910
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 720
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Earle Sciana 40
Fanny Sciana 39
Raffale Sciana 16
Alda Sciana 13
Fred Sciana 3 2/12
Angelina Sciana 2 8/12

Felicie Cozzi 28
Mary Cozzi 29
Michael Cozzi 8
Louise Cozzi 6
Edi Cozzi 3 10/12
David Cozzi 1 6/12

this Carlo imm. in 1910; Fanny in 1914.. also Raffaele and Alda children.. Perhaps Fanny married 2 times...? On ancestry a Carlo Schiano married at a Filomena, living in Manhattan, with a daughter Angelina seeming coming from Naples, but the birthsurname of Filomena is not Picariello, but Manfra... So I think: It is possible that Carlo Schiano married at Filomena widow and with 2 children...?
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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby vj » 05 Dec 2008, 16:48

suanj wrote:
the birthsurname of Filomena is not Picariello, but Manfra... So I think: It is possible that Carlo Schiano married at Filomena widow and with 2 children...?


Hi suanj! :D
Agree you have probably found the correct marriage record & family in 1920
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1908 manifest
page 2
Lines 13-15
Filomena Manfra (widow) with daughters Raffaela & Ida (Aida) both born in NY, joining
Filomena’s father Vincenzo Manfra in NY.
Filomena in NY 1902-1907, born in Avellino
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Here are Filomena’s manifest pages from 1902.

1902 detained page
14 Nov 1902 SS Trojan Prince
Line 5
Filomena Manfra
Joining husband Constantino Picicariello (??)

1902 manifest
Line 5
Filomena Manfria 17
- last residence Aiello del Sabato (Avellino)
- joining intended husband Constantino Pigariallo (??)
- traveling with lines 6 & 7
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NY marriages (the day Filomena arrived):
Manfra Filomena Nov 14 1902 21542 Manhattan
Picarello Constantine Nov 14 1902 Manhattan 21542

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby kennyallie » 05 Dec 2008, 19:06

Filomena came here in 1902 with her first husband Constintino and then went back to Italy to bury him when he died. She then returned in 1908, and then married Carlo in 1914. We are now finding out that Carlo might have arrived in Boston-NOT New York around 1910. This is driving me crazy. One of the documents that we have state that he arrived on the Santa Anna. Thanks Again Everyone

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby Biff83 » 05 Dec 2008, 19:37

Marriage Record for Carlo Schiano and Filomena
Groom
Schiano Carlo
Bride
Picariello Filomena
Date: Oct 21 1916
Boro: Manhattan
Cert# 27491

http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nymarri ... ndex=groom

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby pink67 » 05 Dec 2008, 20:35

Possible Draft card for the Second World War for Carlo?

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Carlo Schian
Name: Carlo Schian
Birth Date: 16 Apr 1882 in Naples
RESIDENCE: New York City - 276 Grand Street -
Birth: Naples, Italy
Race: White
Roll: WW2_2368665

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Re: Attempting to Located a Birth Certificate from Italy

Postby kennyallie » 05 Dec 2008, 21:48

That is him. The birth Date is correct. It says he is from Naples, But we still can't find out what town, to try to find the birth certificate.


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