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What are my options in locating documents?

Postby TangoChaser » 08 Dec 2008, 19:29

Hello,

First I'd like to say this is a great site. I've read so many threads and seems everone is eager to help each other.
Here is my problem. (I'll give some personal info I shouldn't hoping it helps)

My Name is J. Robert Carosiello (I went by John as a child but my birth certificate shows only "J."
My fathers name was John Peter Carosiello. I was told he was born in Philadelphia PA and raised there. I was also told he was a "Jr." but he never used the "Jr." on anything. Supposedly his father "my grandfather" came from Italy.
I've checked the Ellis Island site and there is no matching name. There is Giovanni (John) but there are several.
My father died several years ago and I never met my grandparents. I had an Aunt Catherine in Philadelphia and she had three kids, Vincent, Richard and Anthony. I cant find them either.
I have my fathers SSDI info. I sent the the Pennsylvania Dept. of Vital Statistics for a copy of my fathers birth certificate and was told I could not get one. Something about homeland security and identity theft.

Where else can I go to look for information on my family? I've done google to death. My mother-in-law found something on geneology or ancestry dot com with the correct name. But its from the 1930 census. Which list (the would be grandfather) living in Ohio. But my father was born in PA in 1930.
I guess they could have moved after the census was taken but I'm finding that hard to believe. I never heard of any relative in Ohio, talk was always about South Philly, PA.

Suggestions of where totry next?
I appreciate any suggestions.

~J
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby fredoniapeaches » 08 Dec 2008, 19:40

what his your fathers DOB? and your father's DOD? also, do you know his mother's name? do you have any other dates? such as grandparents Birth, when they came to America...any of that...if you give us all the info you have...we can better help you.
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby TangoChaser » 08 Dec 2008, 19:52

Facts I know:

FATHER:
Name: John Peter Carosiello
Place of Birth: Philadelphia, PA
Date of Birth: 14 December 1930
Date of Death: 08 January 2006
Place of Death: Vineland, NJ

AUNT:
Name: Catherine
Last know address: Philadelphia, PA
Children: Vincent, Richard & Anthony Born between 1965-1970

Other Info not guaranteed:
Father was a "Jr."
This would lead me to "assume" my grand father had the same name.
Grandfather came to US from Italy
Some confusion if from Italy or Sicily

Unfortunatly this is all the information I have. I know it's not much
Thanks for your reply.
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby fredoniapeaches » 08 Dec 2008, 19:57

if your father was born in December...he would not have appeared on the 1930 census. as they were taken in the spring and summer. I'll do some searching...as I'm sure others will too.
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby TangoChaser » 08 Dec 2008, 20:18

I think the 1930 data was to hint that was my grandfather. But I dont hold much water with that.

Something else I remember but doubt it is relevant:
My father told me a story when I was a kid
"When he was a teenager (15 i think) he joined the army under his brothers name. Which I think is Paul or maybe peter."
He was injured and that brother received compensation for the purple heart.

Then my father told me he went back in the Army for Korea under his own name. Agian receiving a purple heart.

I know for a fact he pulled a Veterans Compensation for Non-Connection disabiltiy.

I did call the VA when I found out he died. I gave them his ssn and name, date of birth and did varify that they "Stopped sending checks" but would not release any other info from his C-file. They wouldn't give me any birth or parent information.
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby fredoniapeaches » 08 Dec 2008, 20:21

from the US Public Record Index:
Name: John P Carosiello
Street address: 546 W Forest Grove Rd
City: Vineland
County: Cumberland
State: New Jersey
Zip Code: 08360
Phone Number: 856
Record Number: 553125979

SSDI:
Name: John P. Carosiello
SSN: 169-22-2453
Last Residence: 08360 Vineland, Cumberland, New Jersey
Born: 14 Dec 1930
Died: 8 Jan 2006
State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)

obit file:
Name of Deceased: John P. Carosiello
Age at Death: 75
Birth Date: abt 1931
Death Date: 8 Jan 2006
Newspaper Title: Daily Journal, The
Newspaper Location: Vineland, NJ, Us
Obituary Publication Date: 10 Jan 2006
Locations Mentioned in Obituary: Vineland

(If you call the local library they can usually send you a photocopy for about $10 and usually an obit is a wealth of info.)

also...do you know your aunt's married name?
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby fredoniapeaches » 08 Dec 2008, 20:32

WWI Draft card...maybe your grandfather?
Name: John Carosiello
City: Philadelphia
County: Philadelphia
State: Pennsylvania
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 15 May 1897
Roll: 1907525
DraftBoard: 1

WWII: possiblities

Name: John Carosiello
Birth Year: 1923
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Pennsylvania
State: Alaska

Enlistment Date: 24 Jul 1943
Enlistment State: Pennsylvania
Enlistment City: Philadelphia
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 1 year of college
Civil Occupation: Ship Fitter or Boring Mill Operator or Engine Lathe Operator* (Lathe operator, heavy. ) An asterisk (*) appearing after a job title indicates that a trade test for the particular occupation will be found in the United States Employment Service Manual, Ora
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 00
Weight: 000

Name: Peter J Carosiello
Birth Year: 1925
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Pennsylvania
State: Alaska

Enlistment Date: 13 Nov 1943
Enlistment State: Pennsylvania
Enlistment City: Philadelphia
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 1 year of high school
Civil Occupation: Gas And Oil Man
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 99
Weight: 999


also, as long as your father is deceased, you can request a copy of his SS registration from the SS admin. as well as other historical research copies... http://www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/History_Family.shtml
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby TangoChaser » 08 Dec 2008, 20:47

I knew this site would be helpful. THANKS

The obit. is right on. I did find that a couple months ago on the papers archives. It didnt' list anything.

The WWI draft card is promising and the Peter J in WWII I believe is when my father entered with his name.
You pasted "Draft Card" is there an actual photo you got that from?

You've given me some great info and I thank you. And I'll check that link you just posted.
Now I just need to get an actual paper trail to link me to my father, then to his father.
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby fredoniapeaches » 08 Dec 2008, 21:09

If you have a copy of your birth cert. from the clerks office of the town/city you were born in, usually an uncertified copy is about $10 and a certified copy is about $30 (depending on municipality)...it should obviously have your father's name on it.

from there follow the link I gave you to get a copy of his SS registration form...they are nice people...it just sometimes takes a while...and you may have to call them if you don't receive anything...but once you get it...it will have his parents names listed, and where he was born and when and that...

also through that link is military registrations, that you can get copies of draft cards and such...

they have all the prices listed for the searches and copies as well.


possible SSDI for your grandfather (keep in mind: dates as well as name spellings don't always match what we think it should):

Name: John Carosiello
SSN: 166-05-4770
Last Residence: 08021 Clementon, Camden, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 12 Aug 1897
Died: Jan 1966
State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)

possible ship manifest:
Name: Giovanni Carosiello
Arrival Date: 14 Apr 1922
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Taormina
Search Ship Database: View the Taormina in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Italy
Line: 26
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3101
Birth Location: Italy
Page Number: 123

(on this it says he is going to canada...then I found this) From the
Niagara Falls border Crossing

Name: Giovanni Carosiello
Arrival Date: Aug 1922
Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1897
Gender: Male

Port of Arrival: Niagara Falls, New York, USA
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby fredoniapeaches » 08 Dec 2008, 21:18

http://secureprod.phila.gov/wills/marriagerequest.aspx

this is for the city of philadelphia, to request a copy of marriage records. online they only go back to about 1995...so the ones further back...you have to request.
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby TangoChaser » 08 Dec 2008, 21:21

It almost scares me that all this information is out on the internet for anyone to find. Then again, I could'nt find any of it.

Thank you so very much.

If that is in deed my grandfather the Ellis Island log shows him as already married, in transit to visit a cousin.

I cant thank you enough for all this information.

~J
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby Biff83 » 08 Dec 2008, 21:21

Image of WWI Draft Registration card from fredoniapeaches find.

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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby TangoChaser » 08 Dec 2008, 21:44

Biff83 wrote:Image of WWI Draft Registration card from fredoniapeaches find.

Biff


8O

I've been searching the link he posted and the PA image archieves looking for something like that. Thats great!!!!!!

I copy and saved that to my PC if you need to delete that from your account.


THIS IS JUST TOO COOL. I've found out more infor since joining this site then I have in the last few months. YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!!!!
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby vj » 08 Dec 2008, 21:47

Another clue?
This appears to match one of the names on John’s WWI Card
(Jennie Volpre?, possibly his sister)

possible 1920 census
page 2

Home in 1920:
1443 South 9th Street
Philadelphia Ward 1, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Head Domenico Morella 32
Wife Jenny Morella 32

Stepdaughter Antonetta Volpi 14
Stepson Vido Volpi 12
Stepson Joseph Volpi 9
Stepson Samuel Volpi 7
Stepson Pietro Volpi 5
Stepson Marye Volpi 2 11/12

Brother-in-law John Carsella 22, abt 1898 IT
- immig 1908
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Re: What are my options in locating documents?

Postby TangoChaser » 08 Dec 2008, 21:58

I know at this point there is nothing here that positively links me to these people but you folks have me almost in tears of joy finding all of this.
While typing my first post, I felt there was no information that I could search towards and now I have all these options.

Again a GREATFULL THANK YOU
~J
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