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Cartisano Family

Postby Lofaro » 21 Jan 2009, 15:34

Looking for relatives of Rocco Cartisano (dob aprox 1866, dod 1/27/1932 in Pennsylvania). His wife was Laura Gatto. He had two brothers (dob unknown), Domenico and Giovanni, and possibly a sister, Carmela. His father's name was Filippo, lived in Fiumara Reggio de Calabre Italy.

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby PeterTimber » 21 Jan 2009, 17:14

Where do you wish to look? In the USA or in Italy or both. =Peter=
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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby Lofaro » 21 Jan 2009, 18:11

I'm looking in both the US and Italy. I have very limited information regarding Rocco other than when he came to the US with his wife Laura. They settled in Johnstown, PA where they owned a bakery, some real estate, and an interest in the Paramount Coal Mining Co. The had a daughter Carmela, born in Italy (aprox 1895) but I do not see when she arrived in the US. She is our grandmother. They had another daughter Vincenzina, also born in Italy and I have been able to trace her family to present generation. There were sons (Filippo and Giuseppe) but they died as infants or young children so uncertain if they were born in US or Italy. They finally had a son Filippo that survived, he was born (1912) and died (1982) in Pennsylvania.
I am trying to find Rocco's parents and siblings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby vj » 21 Jan 2009, 18:56

Hello!
Do you have all of Rocco’s census records?
Is this the correct family?
Thanks!
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possible 1910 census
Home in 1910:
614 Railroad St, rents
Johnstown Ward 3, Cambria, Pennsylvania

Head Rocco Cartisano 40, abt 1870 IT
- married 15 yrs, abt 1895
- immig 1902, Al
- baker, bakery
Wife Laura Cartisano 36, abt 1874 IT
- 5 children born, 3 children living
Daughter Carmella Cartisano 14, abt 1896 IT
Daughter Genevieve Cartisano 12, abt 1898 IT
Son Domenick Cartisano 4, abt 1906 PA
servantAngelo Benvenuto 16, abt 1894 France

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby vj » 21 Jan 2009, 19:09

They had a daughter Carmela, born in Italy (aprox 1895) but I do not see when she arrived in the US


Note: if these are the correct census records, they have two dates for immigration
Rocco (alone?) in 1893, Rocco & family in 1901?

possible 1920 census

Home in 1920:
614 (Rear) Railroad St, owns
Johnstown Ward 3, Cambria, Pennsylvania

Head Rossa Careaga 55, abt 1875 IT
- immig 1893 Na 1901
- baker, own shop
Wife Laura Careaga 51, abt 1879 IT
- immig 1901
Daughter Molly Careaga 23, abt 1897 IT
- immig 1901
Son Dominic Careaga 13, abt 1907 PA
Son Philip Careaga 7, abt 1913 PA

edit: added 1930
possible 1930 census

Home in 1930:
741 4th Street, rents $40
Parnassus, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania

Head Rocako Cartisano 64, abt 1866 IT
- married age 30, abt 1896
- immig 1901, Na
Wife Laura Cartisano 60, abt 1870 IT
- immig 1901
Son Philip Cartisano 17, abt 1913 PA

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby vj » 21 Jan 2009, 19:39

Lofaro wrote:I am trying to find Rocco's parents and siblings.


Italian records:
Your nearest Family History Center has records for Fiumara on microfilm.
The cost is about $6 mo (rent), you’ll need to go to the center to order & view them.

Family History Library Catalog:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library ... t_fhlc.asp

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Topic Italy, Reggio di Calabria, Fiumara - Civil registration
Titles Registri dello stato civile, 1810-1910 Fiumara (Reggio di Calabria). Ufficio dello stato civile

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby Lofaro » 21 Jan 2009, 19:59

We have a local Family History Center and I have ordered some microfilm for birth and marriage records. I am waiting for the films to arrive, delay due to holiday. I thought it would be helpful if I could find some info so I knew what to look for when searching the microfilm. I did find limited 1910 and 1930 Cencus Data, not as much information as provided. Thank you for 1920 info and your quick reply.

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby vj » 21 Jan 2009, 20:13

That's great that you have films on order!
I can see why you're having trouble finding your grandmother's manifest.
If only there were another relative on the census records - we could check and see if the daughters arrived with them.
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Interesting that neither of Rocco & Laura’s daughters are on the 1900 manifests

6 Aug 1900 lined-off manifest

12 Aug 1900 manifest

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby Biff83 » 21 Jan 2009, 21:12

This could be daughter Vincenza's manifest based on last residence, destination and father's name although year of birth differs from census records. Poor image on Ancestry, but better than the image on Ellis Island.
1904 manifest line 3, travelling with others from Fiumara who are also joining Rocco Cartisano including brother in law Giovanni Gatto, possible brother of Rocco's wife Laura?

Name: Vincenza Cartisano
Arrival Date: 2 Apr 1904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Age: 1
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Napoli
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Citta di Napoli
Last residence: Fiumara
Joining father Rocco in ? PA

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby vj » 21 Jan 2009, 21:14

Outstanding Biff :D !
Looks like she's traveling with mother Laura's 'Gatto' relatives.
1904 special inquiry page
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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby Biff83 » 21 Jan 2009, 21:18

Thanks, Valarie.

Still looking for Carmela's manifest.

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby vj » 21 Jan 2009, 21:24

line 3, travelling with others from Fiumara who are also joining Rocco Cartisano including brother in law Giovanni Gatto, possible brother of Rocco's wife Laura?


Biff
I agree, I think listing Rocco as a nephew on the manifest for Marianna Di Agostino is probably an error.
The inquiry page has Marianna Di Agostino as Giov. Gatto's mother & Vincenza Cartisano as his neice.
Marianna Di Agostino is most likely Laura & Giovanni Gatto's mother.
Great catch!
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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby Lofaro » 21 Jan 2009, 23:23

I must apologize, I said in an earlier message that I have the information for Carmela's sister Vincenzina, up to present generation. You are correct, Laura's brother, Giovanni brought her daugher Vincenzina to the US along with his wife, mother, and two sons. I think if you look at the actual manifest you will see her age is not 1 but 7; she was born in 1897. Carmela was born 11/23/1895 and married Francesco (Frank) Lofaro in 1920 (Cambria County, PA).
So help me understand the best way to assist you in this search. I wasn't sure if I should provide info or ask questions. I have the immediate Gatto family (Laura's 2 brothers, her sister, and parents) pretty well documented for all the current generations in the US.
The Cartisano's are elusive. This is what was passed down to us from family stories. Rocco's parents were father, Filippo and mother, unknown Remero (something like that). Both families were land owners and their income was from growing and **SPAM** fruit but both had other income. The Cartisano's operated a bakery and the Remero's controlled water rights for quite a large region of southern Italy.

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby vj » 21 Jan 2009, 23:33

Hello :D !
You did great!
You asked for help with your grandmother Carmela's manifest.
Sometimes it really helps in a search like this to look at the related documents for the family.
If you have all of your family's manifests, it's going to be tough to noodle out who Carmela travelled with.
What was her immigration year on her 1930 census?
Thank you for the feedback & updates, Valarie

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Re: Cartisano Family

Postby Lofaro » 22 Jan 2009, 00:17

Let me tell you what I was looking at as a possible for Carmela's manifest : Arrived Ellis Island 9/5/1901 aboard the Nord America, port of departure was Napoli. I think she's traveling with Mariangela Gatto but I don't recognize that name. Laura only had one sister that I know of and her name was Angelina, aprox dob 1866. Angelina was married to Carlo Nunnari and they resided in Boswell, PA (no children). The Boswell Historic Society is sending me a copy of Angelina's Obituary, I haven't received it yet.
What else can I provide ?


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