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Interesting info on marriage record from Montese. Help

Postby adamf » 30 Jan 2009, 01:04

So a couple of months ago I received some records in response to a request to the comune of my forefathers.

One was a marriage record of Ferdinando Sabbatini and Melania Franceschi on Feb. 23, 1882.

As you can see from the record, a number of children are listed with birthdates prior to this marriage, including my GGGF Pietro in 1879.

Is this a list of children born out of wedlock, or were they Ferdinando's from another marriage? The reason I ask is Pietro's birth record lists Melania has his mother, even though she was apparently not yet married to Ferdinando. Perhaps it was a common law situation. I don't know what the customs were at the time.

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Re: Interesting info on marriage record from Montese. Help

Postby BillieDeKid » 30 Jan 2009, 02:05

I believe it says the children were from the natural union of Ferdinando and Melania ........ meaning not wed at the time but together. Hopefully one of the members from italy will tell you exactly what it means.

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Postby liviomoreno » 30 Jan 2009, 05:48

BillieDeKid wrote:I believe it says the children were from the natural union of Ferdinando and Melania ........ meaning not wed at the time but together. Hopefully one of the members from italy will tell you exactly what it means.


You are correct!

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Re: Interesting info on marriage record from Montese. Help

Postby Lucap » 30 Jan 2009, 08:42

It could be that the couple was married with a religious ceremony, but not with a civil one. Until 1929 (Patti Lateranensi: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Lateranensi ) the religious marriage (felt by the people like more important than the other) was not recognized by the state, that regarded it as a "unione naturale". Then (in my opinion), to settle the juridical position of the children, the couple resolved to have a civil wedding too.

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Postby uantiti » 30 Jan 2009, 09:12

I agree with Luca. People in those years where much more after religion than law. Priest and church could determine very strongly people's life.

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Un altro esempio di Estratto "pietoso"?/Another example of a "badly made" Estratto?

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Postby Lucap » 30 Jan 2009, 09:23

uantiti wrote:P.S. For Italian members
Un altro esempio di Estratto "pietoso"?

Ho visto di MOLTO peggio! Almeno qui ci sono le notizie fondamentali; resta il fatto che è sempre meglio chiedere copie integrali.

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Postby uantiti » 30 Jan 2009, 09:28

Lucap wrote:
uantiti wrote:P.S. For Italian members
Un altro esempio di Estratto "pietoso"?

Ho visto di MOLTO peggio! Almeno qui ci sono le notizie fondamentali; resta il fatto che è sempre meglio chiedere copie integrali.

L.


Sì, sì ma era tanto per non smentirci 8O

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Re: Interesting info on marriage record from Montese. Help

Postby adamf » 30 Jan 2009, 15:58

Thank you to all who replied. Very interesting.


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