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Re: Welcome to ItalianGenealogy.com! Looking for Terzano

Postby AndrewK » 18 Feb 2009, 19:08

Thank you for welcoming me! I have been researching my family: Terzano of Rotello, Campobasso, Molise for a while now. I have however hit a dead end after two male births in 1805 in Rotello. I unfortunately cannot find another Terzano until the mid 1800's, and that is in Genova! Did they migrate North? I understand there was an earthquake near Rotello in or around 1805,records destroyed? I am looking specifically for the parents of Vincenzo/Vittorio Terzano born around 1843 in Rotello. Any help on anyone of the name Terzano would be greatly appreciated.

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Postby JohnArmellino » 18 Feb 2009, 22:45

My 4GGA Petronilla Terzano was born in Rotello circa 1785. She was the daughter of Arcangelo Terzano and Lucia Minelli. She married my 4GGU Luigi Trotta of Campobasso and they raised their family in that comune. Terzano is a very old surname of Campobasso. In fact, you can still see the ruins of Torre Terzano (11th Century) near Chiesa di San Bartolomeo. There might be a connection between the Terzano family of Rotello and that of Campobasso. Do you have more information about Vincenzo/Vittorio Terzano and his family?
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Postby AndrewK » 19 Feb 2009, 14:17

Thank you for your response, John. I believe Vincenzo was married to a Carmela DeSantis of at the very least Campobasso, if not Rotello. Some confusion has arisen however due to one of his sons, also named Vincenzo, marrying a Carmela. The elder Vincenzo is my dead end. I need his father to make the full connection form Italy to America. There is a chance he is the connection, but his father, possibly Guisseppe Maria(b.1803) or Raffeale(b.1805) would have to have been in thier forties for that to have happened. God knows how old their wives were! I have not been able to find information on any of their sons, or brothers for that matter, if they had any at all. Any Info., as usual, would be very much appreciated.

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Re: Welcome to ItalianGenealogy.com! Looking for Terzano

Postby JohnArmellino » 19 Feb 2009, 17:04

Vincenzo Luciano Terzano, age 28, and Maria Carmela de Santis, age 22, were married on 16 APR 1872 in Campobasso. Vincenzo Luciano was the son of Andrea Terzano (born 06 JUN 1820 in CB) and Maria Francesca di Girolamo (proietta, born circa 28 SEP 1824 in CB). Maria Carmela was the daughter of Vincenzo Paolo de Santis (born 05 APR 1809 in CB) and Maria Antonia Catelli (born 13 JUN 1819 in CB). Are Vincenzo Luciano Terzano and Maria Carmela de Santis your direct ancesctors? If so, how do you descend from them?
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Postby AndrewK » 19 Feb 2009, 19:10

Thank you! GRAZIE!!!!
Vincenzo & Maria Carmella had a son, not called Vincenzo, but rather Vittorio. Vittorio(b.1887) also married a Carmella, last name Coscia. Vittorio & Carmella had a son Spartaco Vincenzo Terzano(1914-1996). Spartaco, or Terry as he was known, was my Mother's father! My mother is Marilyn Terzano. One more question. Who was Andrea's father? Could it have been Raffeale or Guissepe Maria, or is there another brother that I cannot locate? Andrea, by the way, was the name of one of Vittorio's brothers and the reason for my name. Great Stuff! I also notice yuo are from WNY. That is where my Grandfather was as a child. My mother seems to recognize your last name from Cliffside Park. I was raised in Ridgefield. My understanding is Vittorio brought his family to Jersey from Brooklyn.

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Postby JohnArmellino » 19 Feb 2009, 21:28

Hi Andrew

One more question. Who was Andrea's father? Could it have been Raffeale or Guissepe Maria, or is there another brother that I cannot locate?


Andrea Terzano was the son of Vincenzo Paolo Terzano (born 04 SEP 1778) and Maria Irene Eliseo (born 21 FEB 1785), both of CB. Maria Francesca di Girolamo was a proietta or foundling; she was placed into the care of wet nurse Saveria di Bartolomeo, wife of Giuseppe Rezza.

Vincenzo Paolo de Santis was the son of Antonio Nicola Maria de Santis (born 07 SEP 1761) and Aurelia Fagliarone (born circa 1765), both of CB. Maria Antonia Catelli was the daughter of Giuseppe Maria Catelli (born 06 MAR 1799) and Agnese Catelli (born circa 1799), both of CB.

Your Terzano line extends from your mother as follows: Marilyn Terzano > Spartaco Vincenzo Terzano > Vittorio Terzano > Vincenzo Luciano Terzano > Andrea Terzano > Vincenzo Paolo Terzano > Crescenzo Terzano > Nicola Terzano. I believe Nicola Terzano was born circa 1700.

I also notice yuo are from WNY. That is where my Grandfather was as a child. My mother seems to recognize your last name from Cliffside Park.


I grew up in the Madonna della Libera parish of WNY/North Bergen. I suspect that your Grandfather also lived there since a number of campobassani families helped found the parish in 1898. In fact, your Grandfather's sister, Francesca Incoronata Terzano, is the grandmother of a family friend. She lived in WNY with her second husband, Francesco Gabriele of Campobasso. My grandparents owned and operated the Park Casino (the local nightclub located right next to Miller Stadium, where St. Joseph's and Memorial played) and my father was a four-term mayor of WNY. Perhaps that's why the name Armellino seems familiar to your mother. I'm sure your Grandfather knew my Grandparents - they all knew each other in those days.
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Re: Re: Welcome to ItalianGenealogy.com! Looking for Terzano

Postby AndrewK » 19 Feb 2009, 21:47

Truly incredible. How do do it? Is it possible you have any birth or death years for any of these people? It's actually my GGF Vittorio's sister Francesca(b. 1871 CB), not my grandfather's. He had no sisters. The Gabriele's are still in connection with various Terzanos and cousins thereof.

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Postby JohnArmellino » 19 Feb 2009, 23:00

I've been working with the Campobasso records for some time now, so all of this data is already in my database. If you want, I'll put together what I have on your family lines and post it for you.

BTW, your 3GGU was Bartolomeo Maria Terzano, was one of Italy's leading cutlers of the 19th century. In 1861, he was commissioned to create a hunting dagger for King Vittorio Emanuele II, which knife is now on display in Torino. It's inscribed "Rome wants you as its King - Venice is inviting you" and "Thanks to you the whole of Italy rises united". Some of his work is also displayed at the Museo di Capodimonte di Napoli. I have a small pen knife and several razors that bear his Maker's Mark. He was married twice, first to Carolina Ferrari and later to her sister Anna Maria Carmina Cristina Ferrari, daughters of Giovanni Maria Ferrari of Genova. Perhaps the Terzanos you found in Genova are connected to Bartolomeo in some way.
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Re: Welcome to ItalianGenealogy.com! Looking for Terzano

Postby AndrewK » 19 Feb 2009, 23:20

If you were able to do that, I would truly be grateful. I'm trying to organize one last Terzano reunion, 1st since the 60's, in Brooklyn. That is the main purpose for all of my inquiries. As for Bartolomeo, I had found the information on his marriage(s) but had no idea of his cutlery skills and accolades! In researching Rotello and the region around CB, I found that the area was world reknowned for its' Knife and scissor making. In fact, my Aunt has a pair of shears that my GGF Vittorio used as a barber. It had been said that his Father Vincenzo made them.
My Aunt also got a kick out of finding out who you are /from. She knew of the Park Casino!
Thank you so much, on behalf of all who call themselves Terzano!

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Re: Welcome to ItalianGenealogy.com! Looking for Terzano

Postby JohnArmellino » 20 Feb 2009, 06:01

Hi Andrew

I put together an Ahnentafel Chart using your GGF Vittorio Terzano as the first generation. It turns out that we are 8C1R! Piacere di conoscerlo il mio cugino. Our common ancestors are Giovanni Battista Antenuccio and Antonia Cuzzuoli, circa 1675 ±5 years.

[align=center]Ahnentafel Chart for Vittorio Terzano[/align]

[align=center]First Generation[/align]

1. Vittorio Terzano was born in 1887.

[align=center]Second Generation[/align]

2. Vincenzo Luciano Terzano was born calculated 1843/1844 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Carmela de Santis on 16 APR 1872 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.

3. Maria Carmela de Santis was born calculated 1849/1850 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

[align=center]Third Generation[/align]

4. Andrea Terzano was born on 06 JUN 1820 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He was christened on 08 JUN 1820 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He died in the distretto d’Isernia. He married Maria Francesca di Girolamo on 18 SEP 1842 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

5. Maria Francesca di Girolamo was born about 28 SEP 1824 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She was christened on 04 OCT 1824 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She died on 19 MAR 1902 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.

BIRTH: Genitori Ignoti
MARRIAGE: Genitori Ignoti
DEATH: Genitori Ignoti

6. Vincenzo Paolo de Santis was born on 05 APR 1809 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 26 FEB 1879 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Maria Antonia Catelli on 04 FEB 1837 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

DEATH: His death record states that his mother is Anna Maria di Soccio. This appears to be an error. In the relevant time period, Antonio Nicola Maria de Santis is married to Aurelia Fagliarone. Also see the birth extract submitted with his processetti.

7. Maria Antonia Catelli was born on 13 JUN 1819 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She died on 02 SEP 1863 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

[align=center]Fourth Generation[/align]

8. Vincenzo Paolo Terzano was born on 04 SEP 1778 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 08 MAY 1857 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Irene Eliseo on 19 APR 1814 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

9. Maria Irene Eliseo was born on 21 FEB 1785 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 20 JAN 1855 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

12. Antonio Nicola Maria de Santis was born on 07 SEP 1761 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 02 NOV 1830 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Aurelia Fagliarone.

13. Aurelia Fagliarone was born calculated 1756/1774 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 15 DEC 1817 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

14. Giuseppe Maria Catelli was born on 06 MAR 1799 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He was christened on 07 MAR 1799 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 02 NOV 1870 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Agnese Catelli.

15. Agnese Catelli was born calculated 1794/1802 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 28 APR 1834 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

[align=center]Fifth Generation[/align]

16. Crescenzo Terzano was born calculated 1728/1752 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 12 AUG 1815 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Carmelia Petti.

DEATH: His death record states that his mother is Angela Iacobone. This appears to be an error. In the relevant time period, Nicola Terzano is married to Angela di Tota.

17. Carmelia Petti was born calculated 1735/1736. She died on 22 APR 1794 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

MARRIAGE: Her marriage record states that her father is Angelo Petti. In the relevant time period Angelo Petti is married to Dorodea di Lembo.

18. Nicola Eliseo was born calculated 1757/1765 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 11 APR 1831 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Irene Rosa Iannetta.

19. Irene Rosa Iannetta was born calculated 1754/1768 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 15 JAN 1820 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

24. Egidio de Santis was born calculated 1729/1730. He died on 27 JAN 1771 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Emilia Palange on 25 NOV 1752 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

25. Emilia Palange was born on 22 OCT 1733 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 08 NOV 1807 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

26. Giuseppe Fagliarone was born on 18 APR 1731 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 26 FEB 1796 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Anna Felicia Pietrunti.

27. Anna Felicia Pietrunti was born on 21 JUL 1738 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 23 DEC 1817 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

28. Giovanni Catelli was born calculated 1763/1779 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 28 OCT 1824 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Irene di Lallo in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

29. Maria Irene di Lallo was born calculated 1765/1766 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 10 FEB 1846 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

30. Gaetano Catelli was born calculated 1753/1754. He died on 12 NOV 1804 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Maria Giuseppa Venditto on 28 NOV 1793 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

31. Maria Giuseppa Venditto was born calculated 1760/1761 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 08 AUG 1841 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

[align=center]Sixth Generation[/align]

32. Nicola Terzano. Nicola married Angela di Tota.

33. Angela di Tota.

34. Angelo Petti. Angelo married Dorodea di Lembo.

35. Dorodea di Lembo.

36. Angelo Antonio Vincenzo Eliseo was born on 02 AUG 1723 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 02 MAR 1791 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Saveria Cristina.

37. Saveria Cristina was born calculated 1733/1734. She died on 15 OCT 1816 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

38. Innocenzio Iannetta was born calculated 1736/1737. He died on 05 OCT 1808 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Teresa Trivisonno.

39. Teresa Trivisonno was born on 13 JAN 1736 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

48. Sisto de Santis. Sisto married Catarina Panunzio.

49. Catarina Panunzio.

50. Stefano Palange. Stefano married Rosanna de Santis.

51. Rosanna de Santis.

52. Sebastiano Fagliarone. Sebastiano married Cecilia Romano.

53. Cecilia Romano was born on 06 APR 1697 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

54. Bartolomeo Pietrunti. Bartolomeo married Vittoria de Santis.

55. Vittoria de Santis.

56. Pasquale Catelli was born calculated 1733/1734. He died on 27 JUN 1769 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Chiara Palladino.

57. Chiara Palladino was born on 18 SEP 1736 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

58. Angel'Antonio Maria di Lallo was born on 25 NOV 1742 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Anna Maria Straccialana.

59. Anna Maria Straccialana was born on 06 DEC 1745 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 27 MAY 1827 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.

62. Costanzo Venditto was born calculated 1749/1750. He died on 01 SEP 1798 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Apollonia Palermo.

63. Apollonia Palermo.

[align=center]Seventh Generation[/align]

72. Gregorio Eliseo. Gregorio married Rosolena Caruso.

73. Rosolena Caruso.

74. Luigi Cristina. Luigi married Irene Palazzo.

75. Irene Palazzo.

78. Angelo Trivisonno. Angelo married Antonia Ciaramella.

79. Antonia Ciaramella was born on 15 JAN 1700 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

106. Gregorio Romano. Gregorio married Olimpia di Lembo.

107. Olimpia di Lembo.

114. Cristoforo Palladino. Cristoforo married Vittoria Giancola.

115. Vittoria Giancola.

116. Alessandro di Lallo was born on 10 JUL 1710 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Dorodea Antenuccio.

117. Dorodea Antenuccio was born on 18 JAN 1717 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

118. Giovanni Straccialana was born on 30 OCT 1708 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Isabella Baranello.

119. Isabella Baranello was born on 07 FEB 1713 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.

[align=center]Eighth Generation[/align]

156. Rocco Trivisonno.

158. Domenico Ciaramella. Domenico married Olimpia Iocca.

159. Olimpia Iocca.

232. Domenico di Lallo. Domenico married Dianora Caporiccio.

233. Dianora Caporiccio.

234. Giovanni Battista Antenuccio was born in Baranello, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Antonia Cuzzuoli.

235. Antonia Cuzzuoli.

236. Matteo Straccialana. Matteo married Cristina Trentalance.

237. Cristina Trentalance.

238. Simone Baranello. Simone married Dorodea Piaccia.

239. Dorodea Piaccia.

Some variations in surnames include: Fagliarone once known as Figliarone. Straccialana aka Strazzialana. Trentalance evolved to Trentalange. Piaccia aka Piacci. Cuzzuoli evolved to Guzzuoli or Guzzuolo. Antenuccio aka Antenucci.

The Antenuccio family originated in the comune of Baranello. The Trivisonno family originated in the comune of Ripalimosani.

Ahnentafel Charts have a strict numbering system, which can be cross-indexed with standard Pedigree Charts. Thus, you can generate an out-sized Pedigree Chart by simply plugging in the information. Perhaps you can make one for your reunion.

That's what I have to date. I'm still working with the early church records and I will keep you updated.
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Re: Re: Welcome to ItalianGenealogy.com! Looking for Terzano

Postby AndrewK » 28 Oct 2009, 19:47

John, this information is invalueable! My relations are truly amazed at !) the wealth of information you have provided and 2) that you even helpedout in the first place!

The reunion plans are coming along, if possible, we would be honored to have you enjoy your time with us that day.
I'll let you know when.

As a side note, I am looking to start a Sons of Italy here in Frederick, MD where I live now. I've gotten some great feedback so keep the fingers crossed.

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Postby JohnArmellino » 28 Oct 2009, 20:02

Andy - I'm glad I could be of help... and I've found another branch of the family! Let me know when the reunion is -- I will do my best to attend. Thank you for the invite. John
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Re: Re: Welcome to ItalianGenealogy.com! Looking for Terzano

Postby AndrewK » 29 Oct 2009, 23:58

John,

You have been tremendous help. I'll keep you on the invite list for the reunion. If the full blown event cannot be had for any reason, a smaller gathering of the Terzano family will be arranged in New Jersey. You can talk old Hudson County times with them at the least and leave with a full belly!
Again, thank you. Sincerely, thank you. My kids will benefit greatly from the informtion you have provided me.

-Andy

Edited to add: Another branch! You better get talkin'! :lol:


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