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Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby AmbroseSimone » 12 Mar 2009, 14:35

What I have so far:
Grandfather: Frank Ambrose 1913-2000; spouse: Margaret Olah 1916-2009 Resided in Cleveland, Ohio area
Children of Frank and Margaret: Frank Jr and Janet

Frank Sr's father (great grandfather): Rocco Ambrose 1881-1943 ; mother: Hattie Hottmann- no dates or info found.
Children of Rocco & Hattie: Frank, Robert, Victor, Joseph, Edward, Marie, Rosie, Helen & Jean

Margaret Olah's father: Geza Olah 1879-1972; mother: Ilona- no dates or info found
Children of Geza and Ilona: Margaret, Joseph, George, Helen
The Olah's lived for some time in New Jersey as Margaret is said to be born there and maybe for some time in New York before settling in Ohio.
Thank you!
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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby vj » 12 Mar 2009, 18:06

AmbroseSimone wrote:What I have so far:
Grandfather: Frank Ambrose 1913-2000; spouse: Margaret Olah 1916-2009 Resided in Cleveland, Ohio area
Children of Frank and Margaret: Frank Jr and Janet

Frank Sr's father (great grandfather): Rocco Ambrose 1881-1943 ...


Hello Sharon!
Do you have access to census records for your family?
They can be great starting points for other records.

If you check with your local library you may find that they offer in home access to some genealogical databases.
I live in Montgomery County OH and get access at home to HeritageQuest - great census records thru 1920, and several Ohio databases, thru my library (I checked out their website & signed up online)

Also, this free site has some older US census & some other terrific records - including Ohio
FamilySearch Pilot Site

This 1900 census, if it belongs to your family, has some great information
It’s from ancestry. com, a subscription site available for free at many libraries

Hope some of this helps,
Valarie
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(click here) possible 1900 census

Home in 1900:
8 Hill Street
Cleveland Ward 1, Cuyahoga, Ohio

Head Louis Demelto 32
Wife Rose Demelto 23
Son Vincent Demelto 4
Son Victor Demelto 11/12

Brother-in-law Rocco Ambrose 19
Father-in-law Victor Ambrose 60
Mother-in-law Mary Ambrose 65

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby pink67 » 12 Mar 2009, 18:16

Hi Sharon,

just a little note, I found on this (free) site http://search.labs.familysearch.org/rec ... tml#p=home
two death certificate, one is for Rose Ambrose (age 9 months) who died on July 24, 1912... she was Rocco and Hattie's daughter... Hattie's name and lastname seem Helen Hoffmann
The other one is for Joseph Rocco Ambrose, their son and his mother is listed as Helen Hoffmann...

Laura

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby AmbroseSimone » 13 Mar 2009, 03:17

I don't have access but will check on that with the local library. Thanks for the suggestion.
That definitely is more information on the family than what I had to build on.
I did find the passenger list for Geza and Ilona Olah on the ellis island site but am not good at reading it and couldn't save it. They arrived Dec 26, 1908 as husband and wife. Tried to figure out the parent(s) name listed but couldn't. And the lines under them look like it could be one of their sisters, her husband and a small child? They were from Ugod, Hungary and going to Passaic NY

Didn't realize Hattie Hottmann could be Helen Hoffmann. haha Looks right though.
Thanks to both of you for your posts and help, I will keep looking.
Sharon

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby eyetalgal » 13 Mar 2009, 05:20

Looks like Geza's father is Yanos Olah

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby vj » 13 Mar 2009, 13:59

AmbroseSimone wrote:

I did find the passenger list for Geza and Ilona Olah on the ellis island site but am not good at reading it and couldn't save it. They arrived Dec 26, 1908 as husband and wife. Tried to figure out the parent(s) name listed but couldn't. And the lines under them look like it could be one of their sisters, her husband and a small child? They were from Ugod, Hungary and going to Passaic NY ...


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Hello!
This may help
Here’s another image of your manifest from ancestry. com

(click here) 1908 manifest page 1
page 2

Best guess at transcription
I agree with eyetalgal :D , father is Yanos (or JÃ

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby AmbroseSimone » 13 Mar 2009, 22:15

eyetalgal wrote:Looks like Geza's father is Yanos Olah


That is what I thought but I was not so sure. Thanks!
Sharon

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby AmbroseSimone » 13 Mar 2009, 22:38

[quote="vj"]

OLAH Family

Hello!
This may help
Here’s another image of your manifest from ancestry. com

(click here) 1908 manifest page 1
page 2

Best guess at transcription
I agree with eyetalgal , father is Yanos (or JÃ

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby vj » 14 Mar 2009, 14:15

Hello Sharon,

My condolences on the passing of your grandmother Margaret.

This site may help to explain "non-immigrant alien"
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/other/

Finding Ilona's death information is a challenge.
From this site Cleveland Public Library
we only know that Geza was a widower when he died in 1972

Do you live anywhere near where they are buried?
Cemetery records can be a good source of information.


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Sharon,
I thought you might like to see these
Valarie

From footnote. com, another subscription site
(which often has free trials)
Some neat naturalization documents for Geza Olah

(click here) 1921 Declaration

Publication Number: M1995
Publication Title: Naturalization Petition and Record Books for the US District Court
for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, Cleveland, 1907-1946
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
State: Ohio
Court: Northern District, Eastern Division
Catalog Keywords: Petitions Naturalization Immigration Citizenship
Footnote Publication Year: 2008
Language: English
Surname Starts With: O
Surname Starts With Two: Ol
Surname: Olah
Given Name: Geza
Document Type: Declaration of Intention
Document Date Year: 1921
Birth Country: Hungary
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1927 Petition

Publication Number: M1995
Publication Title: Naturalization Petition and Record Books for the US District Court
for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, Cleveland, 1907-1946
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
State: Ohio
Court: Northern District, Eastern Division
Catalog Keywords: Petitions Naturalization Immigration Citizenship
Footnote Publication Year: 2008
Language: English
Surname Starts With: O
Surname Starts With Two: Ol
Surname: Olah
Given Name: Geza
Document Type: Petition for Naturalization
Document Date Year: 1927
Birth Country: Hungary
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1927 Oath

Publication Number: M1995
Publication Title: Naturalization Petition and Record Books for the US District Court
for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, Cleveland, 1907-1946
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
State: Ohio
Court: Northern District, Eastern Division
Catalog Keywords: Petitions Naturalization Immigration Citizenship
Footnote Publication Year: 2008
Language: English
Surname Starts With: O
Surname Starts With Two: Ol
Surname: Olah
Given Name: Geza
Document Type: Oath of Allegiance
Document Date Year: 1927
Birth Country: Hungary
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More information
A great article on Naturalization Records by Kimberly Powell at about. com
http://genealogy.about.com/cs/naturaliz ... zation.htm

AMBROSE Family

Another useful Cuyagoga County Site (free):
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... rIndx.html

This one confirms Laura's :D find on Hattie's last name

Bride
First Name HATTIE
Last Name HOFFMAN
Record Key 0501859513

Groom
First Name ROCCO
Middle Name V
Last Name AMBROSE
Record Key 0501858043

Volume 0056 (May 1903 - Oct 1903)
Page 0006
Page Match 55

Note: there is no charge for a copy of the record from the Cuyahoga County Archive

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby AmbroseSimone » 21 Jan 2010, 17:02

All of that information was very useful and appreciated. As you can see I took a break from my research and am at it again. I haven't been able to find anything else. I can't understand why I can't find a death certificate, obituary or anything on Helen Olah aka Ilona Olah maiden name Gyorgy. Or her parents. Or anything else about Geza Olah aka George Olah -- such as his mother's name; you did help with his father's name. Also would like to find the siblings of either Ilona or Geza. I did get in touch with a son of Geza's son George just last week! He too doesn't have much family information he says the family was estranged for whatever reasons. Helen Olah (the daughter) passed away single and at an early age. And Joseph Olah apparently had no children. George's first son Richard died as an infant and his son Theodore is the one I contacted. Margaret (our grandma Ambrose) had 2 children so that leaves me with only 3 from that generation unless I can find siblings of Geza and Ilona and their descendents.
They did live in NJ for awhile and then Youngstown, OH and lastly Cleveland, OH.

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Re: Ambrose / Olah Surnames

Postby AmbroseSimone » 21 Jan 2010, 17:21

regarding AMBROSE:
I believe Rocco's parents are
Victor Ambrose b: ABT 1840 Italy
Mary Sarber b: ABT 1831 Italy
that is all I know of them.
From that point I am stuck.
Victor and Mary had 2 children:
Rose who married Louis Demelto
b: Aug 1876 Italy
d: 12 Dec 1956 Cleveland, OH
Rocco
b: 18 Feb 1881 Ohio
d: 24 Apr 1943 Ohio
Any additonal info is greatly appreciated! Thanks!


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