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NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby pcarino » 23 Mar 2009, 18:27

I am new to the forum and need help in finding my grandfather

FORTUNATO CARINO. I belive he was born in MORRA IRPINO

In the 1890's he lived in MORRA IRPINO, Avellino, Italy (now called MORRA DE SANCTIS) and was married to Maria Michela DEPAOLO.

His oldest son (my father) Gabriele Felice Carino was born In Morra Irpino in 1893. He immigrated to Greenwich, Connecticut in 1909 and later settled in Harrison, New York where I was born.

I want to learn when and where my grandfather was born and when and where he died in Italy. Also, I want to find his parents and siblings so I can track descendants and ancestors in Italy and in the United States.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby vj » 23 Mar 2009, 18:40

Hello and Welcome to the Forum :D !
We'll be happy to see what we can do to help.
Do you have your father's ship manifest, census & miltary registration records in the US?
If not we would be happy to help you find them.
If you're ready to research your records in Italy, we can help with direction on how to do that.
Let us know how you want to proceed.
Thank you!
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Are you familiar with the Family History Library?

They have microfilmed the civil records for Morra de Sanctis (Avellino)
from 1810-1910
(click here) film notes

You can order (rent) and view these at your local Family History Center
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Since your records will be in Italian we can recommend several books that will help you understand and translate your family’s records.
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pcarino wrote:FORTUNATO CARINO. I belive he was born in MORRA IRPINO

In the 1890's he lived in MORRA IRPINO, Avellino, Italy (now called MORRA DE SANCTIS) and was married to Maria Michela DEPAOLO.

His oldest son (my father) Gabriele Felice Carino was born In Morra Irpino in 1893. He immigrated to Greenwich, Connecticut in 1909


Was looking at your father's 1909 manifest, it states he was joining his father in CT.
Do you have your grandfather's ship manifest?
It may confirm his birth location.

for reference, from ancestry. com

(click here) 1909 ship manifest
page 2
26 May 1909, SS Prinzess Irene, Naples to NY
Line 11
Gabriele Carini 16 yrs old, abt 1892
- last residence Avellino, Morra Irpino
- in Morra Irpino, mother Maria
- destination Con. Greenwich
- joining father Fortunato at 554 Putnam? St in Greenwich
- born in Avellino Morra Irpino

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby suanj » 23 Mar 2009, 21:13

maybe one is your Fortunato Carino:

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Fortunato Carino
Name: Fortunato Carino
Arrival Date: May 1904
Age: 54
Birth Date: abt 1850

Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Italian

Ship Name: Canadian Pacific Railroad
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

coimng from morra Irpino, joining at Antonio Carino nephew..

but it are another Fortunato Carino, wife Maria in Morra Irpino, joining at Generoso Carino in Greenwich, CT

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Fortunato Carino
Name: Fortunato Carino
Arrival Date: Oct 1907
Age: 48
Birth Date: abt 1859
Birth Country: Italy
Gender: Male

Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

pag 1 http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fortunato2.jpg
pag 2 http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fortunato3.jpg
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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby vj » 23 Mar 2009, 21:45

link to suanj’s 1904 manifest
Fortunato (1850) headed to Port Chester, NY (near Greenwich, CT)
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Hello suanj :D !
It is hard to tell which one is the right Fortunato, but I'll bet it's one of your manifest finds.
For reference, the 1930 census with mother Maria born abt 1860 living with son Gabriel.
So Fortunato was probably born before 1860.
Valarie

(click here) possible 1930 census

Home in April 1930:
Reynold Place
Greenwich, Fairfield, Connecticut

Head Gabriel Carino 37, abt 1893 IT
- married age 30, abt 1923
- immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen)
- proprietor, auto garage
Wife Mary Carino 25, abt 1905 CT
- married age 18
Daughter Marie Carino 5, abt 1925 CT
Daughter Eva Carino 4 1/12, abt 1926 CT
Daughter Inorina Carino 2 4/12 abt 1927 CT

Father-in-law Rocco Strazza 59, abt 1871 IT
- widower
- married age 22, abt 1893
- immig 1897, Na
Mother Maria Carino 70, abt 1860
- widowed
- married age 15, abt 1875
- immig 1929, Al
Brother Paul Carino 34, abt 1896 IT
- married age 32, abt 1928
- immig 1929, Al
- carpenter, construction

previous census page
In case the Strazza family is related

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby Biff83 » 23 Mar 2009, 21:57

Hi, suanj and Valarie!

1920 manifest for brother Paolo?
Page 1
Page 2

Occupation: Carpenter
Birthplace: Morra Irpina
Nearest relative in Italy, mother Maria De Paola
Destination: Port Chester, NY to join brother Gabriel

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby vj » 23 Mar 2009, 22:01

Hello Biff :D !
That's another neat record find.
Has the same address as Gabriel's 1917 WWI Card.
Father is back in Italy.
Valarie

for reference:
1917 WWI Draft Registration Card
Gabriel Carino
144 Pemberwick Rd, Greenwich, Fairfield, CT
Born 8 Apr 1893 in Morra Irpino Avellino Italy
Citizen of Italy
Automotive Mechanic, Central Garage in Port Chester NY
Supports father & mother in Italy, brother from here …

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby suanj » 24 Mar 2009, 05:35

great finding... my friends!
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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby pcarino » 27 Mar 2009, 02:55

Thank you all for your wonderful responses regarding my grandfather Fortunato Carino and my father Gabriel Carino.

I’ve been researching my family for a number of years, but did not know that my grandfather came to the United States – perhaps twice, and even more surprised that his routes were by way of Canada. I also want to thank trevisan2 for bringing me to this site.

If Fortunato first arrived in America in 1904, then these border crossing records answer a lot of questions I’ve had about my father’s first arrival in America in 1906 at the age of 13. It may have been arranged by his father. At some point, the two of them returned to Italy, most likely together. Later, Fortunato returned to America in 1907 and arranged for his son to come over in 1909 at age 16. It appears Fortunato returned to Italy to rejoin his wife Maria where he ultimately died. Of course I’m looking for additional sources to corroborate this scenario.

I am now pursuing another avenue of research to see why Fortunato used Canada as his entry into the United States. I would like to find manifests for his ship passages in 1904 and 1907, and his ports of entry into the United States from Canada.

To answer your questions: Yes, I have all of the records identified in the postings, with the exception of the border crossings. Yes, I have looked at some microfilm records from the LDS Family History Library on Morra DeSanctis (Morra Irpino) and found birth records for Gabriele and his brother Paolo.

To date I’ve not found records for Fortunato, his wife Maria and his siblings in Italy, which is my ultimate goal.

Perhaps knowledge of Fortunato’s nephews in America (Antonio Carino and Gerardo or Generoso Carino) may shed some light on his siblings.

The Strazza’s in the 1930 US Census are related to Gabriel Carino’s wife - Mary Agnes Strazza. My next posting will be to find the Italian birthplace of her parents Rocco STRAZZA and Rosaria PRESTO.

Again, thank you all so much for your help, particularly about border crossings. Any other information or hints on where to search will be greatly appreciated!

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby trevisan2 » 27 Mar 2009, 14:39

I too know the feeling of spending years trying to find an ancestor or a solution to a problem. Then with a little help from the Forum, the solution to the problem is solved.

I too share happiness to pCarino for finding his people.

I would like to thank all of the forumn members for their timeless efforts in helping all of us out.

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby Barella » 14 Dec 2009, 03:01

I can tell you that the surname "Carino" is a diminutive form of the name "Caro," from the Latin word "carus," meaning, "beloved." Italian surnames were established in the late 10TH Century, so this means your ancestor at the time's personal name was "Carino." Also, there was a Roman Emperor Carinus, as "Carino" is the Italian form of the Latin "Carinus." My Great-Grandmother Incoronata Maria Giammarino was also from Morra Irpino.

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Re: NEED REAEARCH HELP FORTUNATO CARINO

Postby PeterTimber » 14 Dec 2009, 03:49

Caro has also been known to have been derived from the Spanish name Conforto since it is not listed in the current listing of Italian first names in some listings such as www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi and select "NOMI" for listing. Caro, of course as a word is also derived from the Roman Latin name CARUS as you state.

Italian surnames commenced inthe 10th century but only for nobility and it was not until the 12th century when non titled nobility or persons of significant means commenced using surnames and it was not until the late 13th century that the common people of all stripes began using surnames. =Peter=
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