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Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby sal4 » 06 Apr 2009, 19:56

I'm trying to find info on my Grandparents Raffaele Iasalvatore from Caserta (Piedimonte D'Alfie) Italy, and my Grandmaother Carmela she has 2 last names one is Rosetta and the other is Consola or Consolo...she was the illigitmate daughter of nobility....I don't know which of her last names is her birth name....I think she is from Piedimonte also...we are looking for family also that settled in New York.Thanks
Looking for surnames Iasalvatore (Salvatore), Tartaglia, Rosetta, Consola, Di Muccio, Castellano, Montanaro, Dipaolo, Costa, Sansone, Giudicianni and Laudato.

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby vj » 06 Apr 2009, 20:36

sal4 wrote:I'm trying to find info on my Grandparents Raffaele Iasalvatore from Caserta (Piedimonte D'Alfie) Italy, and my Grandmaother Carmela she has 2 last names one is Rosetta and the other is Consola or Consolo...


Hello!
We'd be happy to help!
Did Raffaele & Carmela settle in Ohio?
Can find a few records in Cuyahoga county under both Iasalvatore and Salvatore.
Raffaele born abt 1875, Carmela born abt 1880?
Are you looking for your family's US records or Italian records or both?
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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby sal4 » 06 Apr 2009, 20:47

I know everything after they arrived in Ohio........I can't find anything on how they entered the US I do know that they were married in 1905 in New York.............I can't find anything about their family in Italy.........I do know that my Grandfather had a brother Anthony? that settled in NY and a sister M.Rosa Iasalvatore (Montanaro) that settled in Ohio.........but again......nothing on how anyone entered the US.............My Grandamother is really the one that is a mystery..........I know that her father was nobility in Italy..we just don't know what his name was..........My Grandmother has a brother Saverio Consola or Consolo......there is no records for either if there were other siblings in Italy............i would really love info on their life and family in Italy.I have some records in old italian that I have not been able to find anyone to translate for me..............Thank You
Looking for surnames Iasalvatore (Salvatore), Tartaglia, Rosetta, Consola, Di Muccio, Castellano, Montanaro, Dipaolo, Costa, Sansone, Giudicianni and Laudato.

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby aliza24 » 06 Apr 2009, 21:06

Hi Sal4,

A few things:

First, in case you didn't know, the town of Piedimonte d'Alife changed it's name and is now Piedimonte Matese. If you are sure that they were from that town then you can order microfilms from the town on the LDS website: www.familysearch.org

If you don't know how to do that I can help you.

If you have census records from the US that should give you an idea of the birthdate and you will know which films to order.

Second, what year did they die? If they lived long enough they may be in the social sec. death index. You can then order the SS-5 app. which often has the parents names on it.

Death certificates sometimes have parents names too. Do you have those?

Another route is to see if your grandfather has WWI draft cards / reg. They often have some valuable info. on there. And many times include the town of birth. (It doesn't hurt to verify).

Lastly, do you know the name of the church they married in in NY? The street they lived on there? Anything that could help you access that marriage record? I have marriage records from NY that include the parents names.

HTH.

Aliza

PS- Upload the old Italian records that you have and I'd be glad to take a look at them for you.

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby aliza24 » 06 Apr 2009, 21:13

I just did a quick check on ancestry.com
Raffaele is in the SS death index. You can order the SS app. right from the ancestry site. They make it easy. They have a letter that is already written out and everything. Just print, mail and drop in you check to SS.

With some luck, this will have his parents' names.

Aliza

If you aren't a member of ancesty I think they still have some free trials out there.

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby vj » 06 Apr 2009, 21:38

Great suggestions Aliza :D !

sal4 wrote:I know everything after they arrived in Ohio........I can't find anything on how they entered the US ...


Do you also have Raffaele’s naturalization documents?

If this is his, it states he arrived in New York on 5 Aug 1902 on the SS Madonna and that Carmela arrived on 10 Feb 1905

(click here) Declaration of Intention with picture
Publication Number: M1995
Publication Title: Naturalization Petition and Record Books for the US District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, Cleveland, 1907-1946
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
State: Ohio
Court: Northern District, Eastern Division
Catalog Keywords: Petitions Naturalization Immigration Citizenship
Footnote Publication Year: 2008
Language: English
Surname Starts With: I
Surname Starts With Two: Ia
Surname: Iasalvatore
Given Name: Raffaele
Document Type: Declaration of Intention
Document Date Year: 1938
Birth Country: Italy
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and this Petition for Naturalization states that Carmela arrived 5 Feb 1905 in New York

Petition for Naturalization
Publication Number: M1995
Publication Title: Naturalization Petition and Record Books for the US District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, Cleveland, 1907-1946
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
State: Ohio
Court: Northern District, Eastern Division
Catalog Keywords: Petitions Naturalization Immigration Citizenship
Footnote Publication Year: 2008
Language: English
Surname Starts With: I
Surname Starts With Two: Ia
Surname: Iasalvatore
Given Name: Raffaele
Document Type: Petition for Naturalization
Document Date Year: 1943
Birth Country: Italy

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby sal4 » 06 Apr 2009, 22:07

Wow...thank you Valarie & Aliza......I do have his Naturalization papers.....
I'm know that he is from Piedmonte...his parents were Carmela Tartaglia and Vincenzo Iasalvatore....I have not been able to find his name on the ships manifest........Can you help with anything that can find his parents birthdates......& anything on his siblings...............Im looking for his birth certificate.......etc.and as I mentioned before.there are no records of my Grandmother.........I know her mother's name was Maria DiNunzio and I'm not sure of her father's name..........she had 2 last names.......Rosetta & Consolo or Consola..............I don'tknow which one was her birth father......Thank You both so much...........PS I do not know how to order records from the LSD site.............
Looking for surnames Iasalvatore (Salvatore), Tartaglia, Rosetta, Consola, Di Muccio, Castellano, Montanaro, Dipaolo, Costa, Sansone, Giudicianni and Laudato.

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby vj » 07 Apr 2009, 12:37

sal4 wrote:I have not been able to find his name on the ships manifest........
Can you help with anything that can find his parents birthdates......& anything on his siblings...............Im looking for his birth certificate.......etc.
and as I mentioned before.there are no records of my Grandmother
PS I do not know how to order records from the LSD site.............


Hello!
You’re right, even with the information on Raffaele’s naturalization papers, his and Carmela’s ship manifests are tough to locate.
Here’s some information on the Family History Library and Centers.
Valarie

Italian records:

Your nearest Family History Center has records for Piedimonte d’Alife (since 1970 called Piedimonte Matese) on microfilm.
The cost is about $6 mo (rent), you’ll need to go to the center to order & view them - the staff at the center is very helpful.
I would call your center to check the times they are open.

Family History Library Catalog:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library ... t_fhlc.asp

film notes
Registri dello stato civile, 1809-1929
Piedimonte d'Alife (Caserta). Ufficio dello stato civile
Civil registration of births, marriages, deaths, miscellaneous documents, marriage documents, citizenship records, supplements (births, banns, marriages, deaths) for Piedimonte d'Alife, Caserta. Includes annual indexes. Some years missing. Includes records from the frazione of Sepicciano


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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby pink67 » 07 Apr 2009, 14:34

Hi Sal4,

here are the dates for Carmela and Raffaele marriage in NYC:

Surname Gasalvatore
Given Name Raffaele
Month of Marriage Mar
Day of Marriage 5
Year of Marriage 1905
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 5291

Surname Rosetta
Given Name Carmela
Month of Marriage Mar
Day of Marriage 5
Year of Marriage 1905
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 5291

:? I don't know why there are two records for the same marriage?

Surname Jasalvatore
Given Name Raffaele
Month of Marriage Feb
Day of Marriage 16
Year of Marriage 1905
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 5424

Surname Rosetta
Given Name Carmela
Month of Marriage Feb
Day of Marriage 16
Year of Marriage 1905
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 5424

However she used Rosetta lastname....

Laura

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby pink67 » 07 Apr 2009, 16:46

Sal,

here is Carmela Rossetta arrival on december 1904:

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0010

coming from Piedimonte d'Alife, joining her brother? Antonio linvin in Mulberry Street...

And, possible arrival manifest for her brother Saverio?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0012

Laura :D

Edit to add:

a better copy from the site Ancestry.com for Carmela's arrival:
I can't recognize the relationship with the Antonio she stated she was joining....

[img=http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4294/rossettacarmela1904.th.jpg]

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby vj » 07 Apr 2009, 16:55

Hello!
Laura, I'm so glad you found Carmela's manifest :D
Here's her special inquiry page, looks like her age is 25, only had to stay 1 day (LPC likely public charge)
special inquiry page
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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby sal4 » 07 Apr 2009, 16:56

You all are fantastic in finding info.............I have been looking for those records for 3 yrs now...............How did you do it......I have looked on Ellis Island.org and I have never even gotten a bite of info from that site........I never knew she had a brother Antonio....I knew about Saverio.............Thank you!!!!!!! and as of her marriage....there was family talk that they married twice.........I know that they got married at Most Precious Blood Church In Little Italy...but I was never able to find the other time they married.........I wonder why they would marry 2x's................Thank You Thank You!!!!!!
Looking for surnames Iasalvatore (Salvatore), Tartaglia, Rosetta, Consola, Di Muccio, Castellano, Montanaro, Dipaolo, Costa, Sansone, Giudicianni and Laudato.

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby pink67 » 07 Apr 2009, 16:59

:D You're welcome Sal!
I added to my previous post a better image for Carmela's arrival... I can't recognize very well if the relationship between her and Antonio was for brother and sister... :?
Now searching for Raffaele... :wink:

Thank you Val... :D

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby vj » 07 Apr 2009, 17:00

pink67 wrote:
Edit to add:

a better copy from the site Ancestry. com for Carmela's arrival:
I can't recognize the relationship with the Antonio she stated she was joining....

[img=http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4294/rossettacarmela1904.th.jpg]


Laura, you're right it is hard to make out if they changed 'brother' to something else.
Under by whom passage was paid, do you read 'foster-brother'?
Valarie

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Re: Iasalvatore, Consola & Rosetta from Caserta

Postby Biff83 » 07 Apr 2009, 17:06

[quote="vj] by whom passage was paid, do you read 'foster-brother'?
Valarie[/quote]

Hello, Laura and Valarie

Great work by both of you.

I'm reading "foster brother."

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