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Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby jmirra3 » 11 May 2009, 06:53

Hello,

I am looking for information on the parents of my great grandmother Aurora "Nora" (LAMANA) MANGINI. She was born in 1908 in Pennsylvania and her mother was Rosa LAMANA (1876 (?) - (?)) born in Italy. Her father was Nicolas MANGINI, all I know about Nicolas, was that he was born in Italy and was arrested and executed in Philadelphia when Nora was a baby (abt. 1909-1911). Rosa remarried James CONSTANZA. I found Rosa and James on the 1920 census in Philadelphia with Nora and again in 1930 without Nora. Also listed in 1930 is Maria LAMANA as James' mother-in-law.

I am looking for any information on Rosa or Nicolas. I am not sure if they were married in Italy before coming to the USA or they met in the USA.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank You,

Jim Mirra

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby pink67 » 11 May 2009, 17:03

Hi Jim! :D

On the site http://search.labs.familysearch.org/rec ... tml#p=home
There is a death certificate for a baby (4 years old) named Argis? Mangeri, son of Nicola Mangini and Rosina De Feis .
The children died on October 1911.
Are you sure that Lamanna was Rosina's maiden name, is it possible her mother used her maiden name?

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby jmirra3 » 11 May 2009, 17:13

Laura,

I have come across that record before. I wasn't sure because I was always told that Nicolas Mangini was executed when my Nora was a baby, so I always assumed that it was around 1910. The maiden name of Rosa is unknown to my family. But, because of the 1930 census that has Maria Lamana as James Costanza's mother-in-law, I assumed that was her last name.

It guess it could be her mother's maiden name. I'm trying to get more information. I have sent away for Nora's birth record. Hoping for a maiden name for Rosa, or at least an age of Nicolas.

Thanks,

Jim

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby jmirra3 » 11 May 2009, 23:01

I have checked that site. I also went to the Philadelphia City Archives building and looked up lists of executions in Philadelphia up until 1916 without any luck.

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby vj » 13 May 2009, 18:12

just for reference

1930 census

Home in 1930:
853 Earp Street, rents $16
Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

head Vincenzo Costanza 42, abt 1888 IT
- age at 1st marriage 24, abt 1912
- immig 1914, Al
- laborer, odd jobs
wife Rosa Costanza 54, abt 1876 IT
- age at 1st marriage 25, abt 1901
- immig 1906, Al
mother-in-law Marcie Lamana 97, abt 1833 IT
- age at 1st marriage 18, abt 1851
- immig 1903, Al

real estate listing for 853 Earp Street
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1920 census

Home in 1920:
853 Earp Street, rents
Philadelphia Ward 1, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

head James Constance 33 abt 1887 IT
- immig 1909, Na 1918
- special officer, chalk factory
wife Rosa Constance 40, abt 1880 IT
- immig 1902, Na 1918
step daughter Nora Mengini 11, abt 1909 PA
mother-in-law Maria Lamana 80, abt 1840 IT
- immig 1902, Al
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June 1917 WWI Draft Registration Card

Vincenzo Costanza 30
853 Earp Street
Philadelphia
alien
born 15 Dec 1887 in Ortona (?) Chieti
married wife & child

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby pink67 » 14 May 2009, 19:33

vj wrote:mother-in-law Maria Lamana 80, abt 1840 IT
- immig 1902, Al


Possible arrival manifest for Maria La Manna???

From Ancestry.com:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Maria la Mamma
Name: Maria la Mamma
Arrival Date: 22 Jun 1901
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Age: 60
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Belgravia
Search Ship Database: Search the Belgravia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 2
Microfilm Serial: 15
Microfilm Roll: T715_207
Page Number: 172

Coming from Padula - Salerno Province - Campania region, being widow it's strongly possible that she travelled under her maiden name as in Italy women retain their maiden name for all their lifes even if married.

image (from Ellisisland.org... I can't upload the image with imageshack... :? )

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0002

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby vj » 14 May 2009, 19:44

Hi Laura :D !
Great find
Valarie

Laura's manifest find version from ancestry
Maria La Manna
1901 manifest
special inquiry page

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby pink67 » 14 May 2009, 19:52

Thanks Val!

Pink67 wrote:Hi Jim!

On the site search.labs.familysear...tml#p=home
There is a death certificate for a baby (4 years old) named Argis? Mangeri, son of Nicola Mangini and Rosina De Feis .
The children died on October 1911.
Are you sure that Lamanna was Rosina's maiden name, is it possible her mother used her maiden name?


Jim,

I don't know if all these last records are matching but I just found this 1904 arrival manifest, I believe it should be interesting for your search:

Rosina Barra, Single, travelling from Paduli (Benevento Province - Campania region) with her father De Feis Luigi (possible step-father?) age 57, barber, going to Phila to join her mother Maria living 1506 South 2nd Street.
In the declaration for Luigi De feis, in a first time he declared to join his wife Maria same address but near there is a post-annotation "Rel." for relative.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Rosina Barra
Name: Rosina Barra
Arrival Date: 23 Jun 1904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Napoli
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Nord America
Search Ship Database: Search the Nord America in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 28
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_471
Page Number: 68

No luck with imageshack this evening so the image is from Ellisisland.org:
line 28:

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0027

So, there is a Paduli in Benevento Province and Padula in Salerno Province....same region, Campania, maybe one was mispelled... :?

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby vj » 14 May 2009, 20:11

Laura!
Another great find
Valarie

Laura's manifest find ancestry version:

Rosina Barra & father Luigi De Feis
1904 manifest
special inquiry page 'Luigi De Feis & dau'

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby pink67 » 14 May 2009, 20:23

:D Thank you Valarie, I really hope that these records are correct for Jim...
However, I noticed that many on the Barra's coming from Italy to U.S. were from Padula, so possible this is the right place :!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padula

It was the birth town of Giuseppe Petrosino's parents... :wink:

Laura

p.s no luck with the 1910 census... it sure may have important details...

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby vj » 14 May 2009, 21:07

pink67 wrote:p.s no luck with the 1910 census... it sure may have important details...

Maybe with the new names we'll have more luck.
I'm surprised there's no marriage record in Phila
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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby pink67 » 15 May 2009, 06:20

Me too.... :?

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby jmirra3 » 15 Jun 2009, 23:21

Laura and Valarie,

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Your search results are amazing! I talked to my grandmother today and she said that my great grandmother Nora did have 2 brothers. One named Adio (sp?) that died as a young boy and another that was called Al that died around 1963.

I think that these records are correct for my family. The only thing that is puzzling is that it has Rosina listed as Barra, traveling with Luigi De Feis but on the death certificate for her son Ardio, her name is Rosina De Feis. Is Barra a middle name, or do you think Luigi was not her real father?

Thank you again,

Jim

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Re: Help with Finding my great grandmother's family

Postby jmirra3 » 22 Jun 2009, 19:04

I just received a copy of Nora's Social Security Application and she listed her mother as Rose De Feis!


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