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Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby greenweedz » 12 May 2009, 01:41

I'm trying to figure out if an old family story has any element of truth to it. My grandmother's maiden name was Damaturco. The story is that it was an invented name; her father, Gregorio, was the illegitimate son of a Turkish nobleman. The father either would not or could not give the child his last name, so he was called Damaturco - which supposedly meant "woman of the Turk" (though I imagine it could be d'amaturco - "from the love of the Turk"?). Anyway, Gregorio came to the US in the 19th century, became a fruit peddler, fathered a few children, and lived to well into his 90s. His sons died childless, and so ended the Damaturco name.

The story seems likely to me because there are so few Damaturcos to be found. I've found a record for Gregorio's naturalization card, and apparently his son Pasquale was a veteran, because I've found some records on him. His daughter Lucia or Lucy was my grandmother, and I've found the record of her marriage. And that's pretty much all I could find for Damaturco; I've had no luck in the census lists or ship manifests.

Does anyone have any idea how I could determine whether this story is true? And how I can find a little more information on Great Grandfather Gregorio? Thank you!

Barbara

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 06:29

Hi Barbara,

from Ancestry.com, could this be the 1930 census for Gregorio and Josephine?

1930 United States Federal Census
about Gugarme Damature
Name: Gugarme Damature
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Spouse's name: Josephine
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gugarme Damature 78 head, born in IT, year of immigr. 1884
Josephine Damature 78 wife, born in IT, year of immigr. 1887

[img=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7779/damaturco1930.th.jpg]

I don't know if you have their death certificates, in case you don't have here are the details:

from: http://www.italiangen.org/vitalreclist.stm

Surname - Given Name - Age - Month - Day - Year - Certificate
Number - County

Damaturco Gregorio 94 y Mar 18 1946 6405 Kings
Damaturco Josephine 73 y Oct 7 1934 19644 Kings

This is the 1920 census:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Gregoria Demetrice
Name: Gregoria Demetrice
[Gregorio Domstrico??]
Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 10, Kings, New York
Age: 68 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Spouse's name: Josephina
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1910
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 1141
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gregoria Demetrice 68
Josephina Demetrice 67

[img=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1866/damaturcogregorio1920.th.jpg]

1910 United States Federal Census
about Gregoni Damatinco
Name: Gregoni Damatinco
[Gregorie Damalinco]
Age in 1910: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Josephine
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 9, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1877
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gregoni Damatinco 57
Josephine Damatinco 69 (she declared she had 10 child, among whom only 2 living)
Pasqueal Damatinco 21
Rose Damatinco 16

[img=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8982/damaturco1910.th.jpg]

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 06:50

Barbara,

on the Italgen.org site there is a marriage on 1888 between :

Surname Damaturco
Given Name Antonia
Month of Marriage Jan
Day of Marriage 5
Year of Marriage 1888
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 1207
Soundex D536

Groom was:

Surname Capolo
Given Name Vincenzo
Month of Marriage Jan
Day of Marriage 5
Year of Marriage 1888
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 1207
Soundex C140

Maybe relatives?

Laura

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 12:36

From this (great :!: ) free site:

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper% ... ehtml&.pdf

here is gregorio Obituary (just in case you don't have):

DAMATURCO — GREGORIO, on
March 18, 1946, beloved husband of
the late Josephine; loving father of
Lucy D'Alessio, Anna Paladlno,
Rose Truble and Pasquale Damaturco.
Funeral from the New York
and Brooklyn Chapel, 187 8. Oxford
Street, Brooklyn, Thursday,
> March 31, 1946, at 9 a.m.: thence to
St. Gregory's R. C. Church, where a
Mass will be offered. Interment
family plot Calvary Cemetery.

And if you search Damaturco there will be 8 other articles for Damaturco...

Laura :D

Edit to add:

from http://www.italiangen.org/vitalreclist.stm

the daughters marriages details:

Damaturco Rose
May 19 1913
Certificate number: 4460
County: Kings

groom:

Truble Joseph
May 19 1913
County: Kings
Certificate number: 4460

another:

Damaturco Angiolisa
Oct 21 1900
Certificate number: 17846
County: Manhattan

groom:

Palladino Nunzio
Oct 21 1900
County: Manhattan
Certificate number: 17846

and:

Dammaturco Lucia
Jun 10 1897
Certificate number: 9089
County: Manhattan

groom:

D'Alessio Michaele
Jun 10 1897
County: Manhattan
Certificate number: 9089

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby greenweedz » 12 May 2009, 12:42

Wow thanks Laura - those census records certainly look like they're my great-grandparents, except for the immigration date on the 1920 one, but I suppose that could have been a mistake. Why couldn't these census takers PRINT the names? I never would have thought "Demetrice" was Damaturco (though I should know better, as "D'Alessio" was in the database as "Defresno"). As for the death information, thanks, I did already find that. And the marriage information is interesting. I imagine she was Gregorio's sister. Thank you!

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 13:43

You're welcome Barbara!
I'm trying to help you understanding were the last name come from.. because you're right, it seems it doesn't exist today here in Italy...
Have you found the 1900 census for the Family? maybe it should have clues for the search...

I found an interesting record but it's very strange because the first names are matching :!: but the last name is different... 8O
Here is, from Ancestry.com:

1900 United States Federal Census
about Gregorio Rampino
Name: Gregorio Rampino
[Gregoria Rampino]
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 48
Birth Date: Sep 1851
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1875
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Josephine
Marriage Year: 1873
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 27
Residence : New York City, New York, New York
Occupation: View on Image
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Household Members: Name Age
Gregorio Rampino 48 born in Italy on Sept. 1851, year of immigr, 1876, Naturalized, occupation fruit vendor :!:
Josephine Rampino 47 wife, born in Italy on April 1853, mother of 10 child (same declaration on 1910 census :!: ), year of immigr. 1880
Anna Rampino 18 daughter, born in NY on September 1881, occupation candy maker (married on October 1900 with Nunzio Palladino?)
Patrick Rampino 12 son, born in NY on Nov. 1887 :!: , Patrick is one of the americanized version of the italian first name Pasquale
Rosa Rampino 6 daughter, born on Nov. 1893 (married on 1913 with Joseph Truble?)

[img=http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2659/rampinogregorio1900.th.jpg]

What do you think about this record? :?

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby greenweedz » 12 May 2009, 15:16

That fultonhistory site looks great - I can foresee losing many a happy hour in it. Seeing the "Truble" surname rang a bell - I did have, but never met, relatives named Truble. I had already found the Lucy Dammaturco - Michaele D'Alessio record (my grandparents) but not the other Damaturcos.

As for the Rampinos - yes, the first names and other details are so similar. But how could Damaturco be taken as Rampino? I just don't know what to make of it!

BTW my grandmother (my Nana, I should say) Lucy wouldn't have shown up in the census records - she kept her existence a secret from the authorities so she wouldn't have to go to school and could stay home and help out with the house. So poor Lucy never learned to read or write!

Thank you SO much Laura, what a great help you've been!

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 15:16

From: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... search.asp

Angelina Damaturco
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Event(s):
Birth: , , New York

Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: Grajario
Mother: Giuseppina Fina
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Marriages:
Spouse: Nunzio Palladino
Marriage: 21 OCT 1900 Manhattan, New York, New York

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 15:24

Barbara :D
I love the Fulton site too....

I believe the 1900 census is correct....
That's why:

I found this Naturalzation index card for Michele D'Alessio:

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995
about Michael D'Alessio
Name: Michael D'Alessio
Age: 27
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1873
Arrival year: 1890
Issue Date: 3 Apr 1900
State: New York
Locality, Court: Southern District of New York, District and Circuit Court
Title: Alphabetical Index to Petitions for Naturalization of the U.S. District Court and Circuit Court for the Southern District of New York, 1824-1941
Description: Cope, John to Donnelly, Thomas
Series: M1676

[img=http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4487/dalessiomichael.th.jpg]

If you look the image you can see that his address at that time was: 190 Hester street, Manhattan.
The home address for Gregorio Rampino and family on 1900 census was 186 Hester Street.... :!: :idea:
More that a coincidence I think :wink:

So, maybe for some strange reason Gregorio decided to change his lastname?.... Do you have Lucy's birth certificate or gregorio and Josephine's death certificates? Do they contain helpful details?

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 15:46

:D :!: :D

This is a very great record for you Barbara!

So, noticing that Giuseppina (Gregorio's wife) maiden name was Fina, take a look at this 1877 arrival manifest :!:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about G Fina
Name: G Fina
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1877
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Age: 25
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Mediterranean Ports
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Assyria
Search Ship Database: Search the Assyria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 25
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_410
List Number: 964
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

She was travelling with her daughter M. (for Miss?) A. Jannaturza?/Iannaturga? (possible Angelina?)

[img=http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7282/fina1877arrival.th.jpg]

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby greenweedz » 12 May 2009, 16:01

Well, an awful lot of Italian immigrants lived on Hester Street, so the proximity of the addresses may not mean that much. But you're right, the other details (especially the "fruit seller" occupation!) are way too much of a coincidence. So maybe he did change from Rampino to Damaturco, or went by Rampino for a while because he was embarrassed by his "illegitimate" name. Or maybe there was a mistake or misunderstanding on the part of the census taker. Here's a scenario: Mr Rampino, a family friend or boarder, was the only one home when the census taker came, and having very little English, didn't or couldn't quite make it clear that his last name wasn't the family surname... OK, far fetched but it COULD've happened! :)

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby pink67 » 12 May 2009, 19:19

pink67 wrote:Barbara,

on the Italgen.org site there is a marriage on 1888 between :

Surname Damaturco
Given Name Antonia
Month of Marriage Jan
Day of Marriage 5
Year of Marriage 1888
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 1207
Soundex D536

Groom was:

Surname Capolo
Given Name Vincenzo
Month of Marriage Jan
Day of Marriage 5
Year of Marriage 1888
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 1207
Soundex C140

Maybe relatives?

Laura


Same record from Familysearch:

Maria Antonia Da Matureo
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: , , Italy

Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: Gregario Da Matureo
Mother: Peppina
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: Vincenzo Capolo
Marriage: 05 JAN 1888 Manhattan, New York, New York


So, Maria Antonia was another Gregorio's daughter, I believe she was the M.A. Iannaturco?/Iammaturco? travelling on 1877 with her mother Giuseppina Fina.

You have several certificate to ask for now, i'm sure they may have helpful clues.... :D

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Re: Surname Damaturco or Damaturko

Postby greenweedz » 14 May 2009, 03:20

Laura, thanks so much for all this research! Now I have to sit down and sort everything out - it will take a while, but I'm going to have a great time doing it!

Barbara


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