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Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby aliza24 » 28 May 2009, 17:11

Long post- sorry.

I've been able to get really far with all my other lines but I have this one line that is driving me crazy!! These people seem to never show up where they should. It's like a genealogy vaccuum!

I'm looking for Michele D'Angelo and his wife Benigna Cipriani, both borna round 1860 in Pettorano Sul Gizio, L'Aquila.

I have found BOTH of their ship records and know that Michele was living in Hartly, Delaware when his wife came with one of their children in 1915.

Michele came in 1905 but I can't find him in the 1910 census and I don't see either of them in the 1920 census (despite the fact that in 1917-18 on their sons' WW1 draft cards they said they were supporting parents).

That means they were at least still ALIVE around 1917- but they just seem to vanish!!

I had a fellow genealogy geek in De. look up deaths in the years after 1917 and they didn't find their names.

I'm not sure what church they went to either. The records for this family are few and far between. One brother never married and the other later went to Canada then supposedly back to Italy.

What are some other steps I can take to try to find what happened to them?

I'd like to know where they were living after 1915, where and when they died- or anything more than I do now. For now, I just have their ship records- then they disappear!

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby pink67 » 28 May 2009, 20:11

Hi Aliza,

just to try to help you, is this World War II Military Enlistment right forn one Michele's sons?

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Joseph Dangelo
Name: Joseph Dangelo
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1887
Birth Place: Pettorano Sul Gizio, Italy
Residence: New Castle, Delaware
Roll: WW2_2240332

living in Newark - New Castle - DE. Nearest relative: Michael Dangelo same address.... (maybe his father?)

[img=http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7623/dangelojospehwwii.th.jpg]

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby vj » 28 May 2009, 22:01

Hello Laura & Aliza!
another location clue?
Valarie

Joseph D'Angelo

possible 1902 manifest

2 May 1902 SS Phoenicia, Naples to NY
line 16
(note: may be traveling with a Cipriani on line 17)

Giuseppe D'Angelo
- 13 yrs old (abt 1888)
- single
- last residence Pettorano
- joining father Michele in ?illa Pe?? PA

detained page

The detained page appears to be listed by age?
They may all be minors.

line 20
Giuseppe D'Angelo is 14 (born abt 1887)
released to father Michele
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aliza24 wrote:... Michele came in 1905 ...


Michele D'Angelo

Perhaps an earlier manifest for Michele?

possible 1900 manifest

1 Mar 1900 SS Kaiser Wilhelm II, Naples to NY
line 15

Michele D'Angelo
- 37 yrs old, abt 1862
- married
- last residence Pettorano
- destination Bridgeport, CT
- joining brother-in-law Antonio Cipriani

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby aliza24 » 29 May 2009, 03:40

Hi Guys!

Thanks so much for your help.

Yes, the records for Giuseppe are my g-grandfather (Michele's son). I had the ship record with Michele going to see his brother in law in CT but I this is the first I've seen for Giuseppe!

Thank you! I am so excited. I never saw a record for him. I don't know how I missed it.

I'm going to ask my family if they have any idea what that town is in Penn. I can't make it out. Maybe Michele was still in PA in 1910 and that's why I couldn't find him in the census?

Now if I can only find out what happened to the parents after that! Well, you've already given me more info. than I had and now I have some more places I can look. Thanks again!

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby pink67 » 29 May 2009, 06:27

Hi Aliza! :D

I don't know if this manifest could be related but maybe you can give a look.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0030

Michele D'Angelo 1907 arrival. From Pettorano joining his son Giuseppe in NYC. He was in the U.S. before from 1902 to 1904 in Buffalo NY

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby vj » 29 May 2009, 13:39

pink67 wrote:Hi Aliza! :D
I don't know if this manifest could be related but maybe you can give a look.
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0030
Michele D'Angelo 1907 arrival. From Pettorano joining his son Giuseppe in NYC. He was in the U.S. before from 1902 to 1904 in Buffalo NY
Laura


Hi Aliza and Laura,
Agree, looks like NY may be a possibility for 1907 (Laura's manifest find :D ) & 1909 - another manifest for Michele with son Mariano?
Valarie

possible 1909 manifest
page 2

10 Aug 1909 SS Madonna, Naples to NY
lines 4-5
Michele D'Angelo 46 (abt 1863)
- married
- last residence NY
- in Pettorano wife Benigna at 8 Via S Antonio
- destination NY, NY
- in NY 1902-1908
- joining son Giuseppe at 168 Leonard Ave
(may be Staten Island, Richmond County, NY)- born in Pettorano
son Mariano 15 (abt 1894)
- single
- last residence Pettorano

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby aliza24 » 29 May 2009, 17:54

Dear Lord! No wonder I was going crazy pinning them down. These guys moved around a lot more than I thought. First CT, then PA, Then NY, then DE.....

This definitely looks like it's them. I guess i didn't realize they moved so much. I never heard of a son Mariano before either. As far as I knew, there were only 3 sons: Giuseppe / Joseph (my g-grandpa), Pasquale / Patsy and Morris / Maurizio. Wonder what the heck happened to Mariano then ? Maybe he went back to Italy.

I'll have to start some whole new searches now with this new info.

Thanks a million!

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby vj » 29 May 2009, 20:02

Aliza,
Glad we could get you jump started again :wink: .
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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby aliza24 » 29 May 2009, 21:23

You definitely did. And now I have a lot of questions in my head. The last one that you posted for them in NY has me really curious now because the woman that my g-grandfather married (Josephine Leggio) was born in NY and lived there around the time that it has the D'Angelo's there.

I have the Leggio side traced back pretty far. And there was a whole group of Italian families that kept migrating together in a pack- from Sicily to NYC then then all settled in De. closeby.

This makes me wonder now if the D'Angelo's didn't already know the Leggio's from NY days? I always thought that the families met in De. but that may not be the case.

Ah, the mysteries... But that's what makes it fun right?

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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby donnawright » 30 May 2009, 20:07

It looks like Lewis Run PA. There's another one a few lines under it. It's in the far north central part of the state.
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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby donnawright » 30 May 2009, 20:12

There are actually a few others going to Lewis Run ... maybe other relatives / traveling companions / clues
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Re: Best places to look when someone NOT in census?

Postby aliza24 » 01 Jun 2009, 07:23

thanks again everyone! Sometimes when you get too involved and start to get stuck you just have to take a step back and start fresh.

You have given me some new things to look at now.

Grazie.

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