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Surname Barattieri or Baratter

Postby RickBart48 » 21 Jun 2009, 16:51

Hi I'm brand new to this site. My great grand parents were:
Domenico Barattieri; b. Mar 10, 1860 in Rovereto, Austria (Italy); d. Jul 20, 1934 in Helens Mills, PA; bur. with his wife in Holy Cross Cemetery, Brandy Camp, PA; m. about 1887 probably in Rovereto to Guiseppa “Josephineâ€

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Re: Surname Barattieri or Baratter

Postby pink67 » 01 Jul 2009, 10:02

Rick :D

do you believe this 1900 census could be correct for the Baratier Family in Horton?

1900 United States Federal Census
about Dome* Baratiere
Name: Dome* Baratiere
[Domenico Baratiere]
Home in 1900: Horton, Elk, Pennsylvania
Age: 40
Birth Date: Mar 1860
Birthplace: Austria
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1889
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Austria
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Spouse's Name: Gruseffa
Marriage Year: 1887
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 13
Residence : Horton Township, Elk, Pennsylvania
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dome* Baratiere 40 head, born in Austria, year of immigr. 1889
Gruseffa Baratiere 32 wife, born in Austria, year of immigr. 1891
Eugenio Baratiere 11 son, born in Austria, year of immigr. 1891
Slindio Baratiere 6 Lindo, son, born in PA
Adelina Baratiere 5 daughter, born in PA
Henry Baratiere 3 son, born in PA
Slewis Baratiere 1 son, born in PA
Palmanina Baratiere 2/12 daughter, born in PA

[img=http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9969/baratier1900.th.jpg]

I found also an interesting 1911 arrival manifest for Lindo Baratier, coming from Vallarsa - Rovereto (he was leaving there his father Domenico :?: ) and joining his brother Eugenio in PA.
It seems he stated he was born in italy but in the second page of the manifest there is an annotation: "U.S. born" :!:
I believe that members of the family did a trip back to Italy...
However Vallarsa is a town near Rovereto, but it is another municipality....
http://www.comune.vallarsa.tn.it/

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Lindo Barater
Name: Lindo Barater
Arrival Date: 16 Sep 1911
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Havre
Place of Origin: Austrian Tyrol
Ship Name: La Lorraine
Search Ship Database: View the La Lorraine in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 8
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1739
Page Number: 178

page 1:
[img=http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6531/baraterlindopage1.th.jpg]

page 2:
[img=http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/246/baraterlindoapge2.th.jpg]

from the Ellisisland.org site here is the trip to return home in PA for Domenico, his wife Giuseppina, daughters: Mary, Flora, Antonia, Rosa and sons: Henry, Lewis, Narciso. All child born in U.S.
Domenico was leaving in Italy his father Baratter Francesco. :!:

he stated he was in the U.S. until 1909...

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0019

page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0019

On this second page you can see that Domenico and Giuseppina stated Albaredo as place of birth, well, Albaredo is an hamlet of the Comune of Vallarsa.

http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/trenti ... larsa.html

You can be pretty sure that you ancestors were born in the Comune of Vallarsa, in the fraction Albaredo... :D

Laura

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Re: Surname Barattieri or Baratter

Postby pink67 » 01 Jul 2009, 13:02

I whish I'm being not too "intrusive" with your ancestors's search :D , in the case you prefere you to conduct your own research please tell me.... I'm very glad to help... and I enjoy doing these kind of researches :D .

From ancestry.com here you have the 1920 and 1930 census for Dominick:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Dominico Bart
Name: Dominico Bart
Home in 1920: Horton, Elk, Pennsylvania
Age: 60 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Austria
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Josephina
Father's Birth Place: Austria
Mother's Birth Place: Austria
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1890
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 790
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dominico Bart 60
Josephina Bart 52
Dan Bart 32
Henry Bart 22
Marciso Bart 16
Mable Bart 14
Hazel Bart 12
Alberto Seraphina 49

[img=http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9001/baratter1920.th.jpg]

1930 United States Federal Census
about Domonic Bart
Name: Domonic Bart
Home in 1930: Fox, Elk, Pennsylvania
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Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Josephine
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
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Household Members: Name Age
Domonic Bart 71
Josephine Bart 63
Narciso Bart 26

[img=http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1913/barratterdominck1930.th.jpg]

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Re: Surname Barattieri or Baratter

Postby RickBart48 » 01 Jul 2009, 13:13

Hi Laura, yes both records apply to my great-grand father Domenico and grandfather Lindo. Based on those records, I have updated the bios in my family tree. Today I'm attaching records.

Domenico Barattieri; b. Mar 10, 1860 in Rovereto, Austria (Italy); d. Jul 20, 1934 in Helens Mills, PA; bur. with his wife in Holy Cross Cemetery, Brandy Camp, PA; m. about 1887 probably in Rovereto to Guiseppa “Josephineâ€

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Re: Surname Barattieri or Baratter

Postby smc200 » 28 Sep 2009, 02:56

Hello Rick, I came across your post as I was looking for information on the history of coal mining in Elk Co. Pennsylvania. I lived in Brockport, PA and know where Brandy Camp Cemetery is located. As a matter of fact my grandparents and parents are buried there. I attended Holy Cross Church as a young girl. My grandfather was born in Trento Italy and my Grandmother is from Seravalle. She worked in Riva del Garda where she helped her sister run her hotel. In June 2008, I went to Northern Italy and met many of my fathers relatives. I am in the process of writing a book about my family "Cretti" and know that my grandfather Guilio and grandmother Adelia came to America in December 1912 on the Lapland--the very ship that rescued some from the Titanic. I know "Barts" that live in Brockport, PA. May I suggest in your research the book "A Courageous People from the Dolomites" written by Bonafacio Bolognani a Franciscan priest. The book is based on immigrants from Trentino on U.S.A. trails. Very interesting. I gathered information about my grandparents. Good luck.

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Re: Surname Barattieri or Baratter

Postby RickBart48 » 28 Sep 2009, 16:04

Thanks for the tip "smc" I'll look up that Trentino book

My uncle George Bart from Brockport just passed away this past summer. I have a family tree on ancestry.com with all of the Barts, Baratters, etc.

On my last visit I took photos fo graves from Holy Cross Cemetery and uploaded them to my tree.

I envy you. That must have been a great trip to Italy. We've been over there to Florence and Rome but I didn't get a chance to make it up north.

Thanks again
Rick in Taunton, MA

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Re: Surname Barattieri or Baratter

Postby smc200 » 29 Sep 2009, 00:26

Rick, Thanks for your reply. My parents were good friends of your Aunt Fannie and Uncle George. Fannie's sister, Anita G. is my godmother. It is a very small world in which we live. My husband and I now live in Treasure Lake DuBois. We loved Milano, Riva del Garda, and Arco. I did not get to Trent, but the next time for sure. August 2010 we plan to tour Rome and end in Milano. My grandfather (resident of Trentino) was in the German army and was given a tip by an officer higher up that NOW (1912)was the time to leave. It was at that point, after his father died and he was excused from service, that they and their two small girls came to America. It is quite a story. After seeing Lake Garda, I'm not sure how they left such a beautiful area. But, I can imagine how war would scare anyone into departing. It is nice to meet you. By the way, my name is Shelly. Take care.


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