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No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby nmaritch » 22 Jul 2009, 13:20

Hello,
I am working on my family tree. I am having trouble locating any sort of documentation for my great great grandmother. Her name is Palma (molinaro) Aiello. She was born in Italy in 1884 and came to the US in about 1907. She had eight children who lived to adulthood, and she died in 1956. I have no immigration record, no death record, and no birth record. She was listed in the 1920 census as Polly Aiello. Can someone help me?

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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 13:50

Hi!
We'd be happy to help.
Just for reference, are these records correct?
Thanks!
Valarie

(click here) possible 1930 census

Home in 1930:
1008 21st Street, owns $6000
Racine, Racine, Wisconsin

head Samuel Aiello 46, abt 1884 IT
- married age 20, abt 1904
- immig 1905, Na
wife Polly Aiello 45, abt 1885 IT
- married age 19
- immig 1908, Al
son Thomas Aiello 21, abt 1909 WI
daughter Mary Aiello 18, abt 1912 WI
daughter Carmella Aiello 17, abt 1913 WI
son Frank Aiello 15, abt 1915 WI
son Justine Aiello 14, abt 1916 WI
son Warren Aiello 12, abt 1918 WI
daughter Yolanda Aiello 9, abt 1921 WI
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my apologies - added 1920 after Laura :D found it!
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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby pink67 » 22 Jul 2009, 13:56

Ciao Val!

here is 1920 census:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Samuel Shiells
Name: Samuel Shiells 8O
[Samuel Hills]
Home in 1920: Mount Pleasant, Racine, Wisconsin
Age: 36 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Polly
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1904
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 818
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Shiells 36
Polly Shiells 35
Thomas Shiells 12
Eda Shiells 10
Mary Shiells 9
Eirmala Shiells 7
Frank Shiells 6
Justine Shiells 4 11/12
Wedino Shiells 2 8/12
Frank Calerle 49
Pelip Calerle 18
Henry Parliero 17
Benjamin Leyln 28

image: [img=http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5421/aiello1920.th.jpg]

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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 14:31

Hello Laura :D !
Thanks for finding 1920 - it was a tough one!
I think Sam's name was Salvatore
Born 3 Oct 1883
1918 WWI Draft Registration Card
Sam & Polly were probably married in Italy, so either one's manifest should help?
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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby nmaritch » 22 Jul 2009, 15:19

thanks for all the help. I had actually found this census, Salvatore and Palma were married in Italy, in Feb 1904 I have found his Ellis Island record listed as Salvatori Arello in 1905, but I still can't find any records for her either listed as Palma or Polly other than that census record.

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Postby suanj » 22 Jul 2009, 15:29

you are right Vj!
here the death of Salvatore Aiello:
Wisconsin Death Index, 1959-1997
about Salvatore Aiello
Name: Salvatore Aiello
Age: 88
Sex: M (Male)
Birth Date: abt 1883
Death Date: 21 Dec 1971
Location: Raci (May be abbreviated)
Certificate: 039077

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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 15:49

Hello suanj :D !
Thank you
Valarie

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NM wrote:thanks for all the help. I had actually found this census, Salvatore and Palma were married in Italy, in Feb 1904 I have found his Ellis Island record listed as Salvatori Arello in 1905, but I still can't find any records for her either listed as Palma or Polly other than that census record


NM, thank you for the update :D .
On your 1905 manifest Salvatore was headed to Chicago (not his 1st trip)
His last residence was Rende (Cosenza, Calabria).
Do you know if he and Palma were married in Rende?
Thanks!
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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 16:17

Not sure if you've seen this record.
It appears that Rende CS may be the correct town of origin in Italy.
Here's a manifest with a possible relative of Palma's traveling to Racine, to the same address on Mead as Salvatore Aiello's 1918 WWI Card: 2134 Mead
Valarie

3 Feb 1921 page 1
page 2

Francesco Molinaro 46
- married
- wife Francesca
- joining brother Enrico at 2134 Mead, Racine
- born in Rende
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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby PeterTimber » 22 Jul 2009, 16:22

I hope this helps. I found a record in Ellisisland.org of her arrival on 4/24/1910 inthe name of Palma Molinaro, aged 27 (1883 birth), single from Feroleto Antico, 88040, Cosenza province, destined to her father Vincenzo in Philadelphia Pennsylvania....Her intial manifest shows a line running thru it but several pages later another manifest shows up with same #19 with her admitted stamp..The facts mirror those of the person being sought and I wonder if there was a confusion with the lined out Pama Molinaro???? =Peter=
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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby nmaritch » 22 Jul 2009, 17:07

Here is some more information

Salvatore Aiello October 3, 1883 I am assuming born in Rende, ITALY.
Palma Molinaro 1884 Italy

Married February 22, 1904 in Rende.

He immigrated a year later to the United States.

This is the record that I found listed as Salvatori Arello.

She immigrated two years later.... I can find no record of this.

Their first surviving child was born in 1908 Gaetano, in Kenosha WI

They had four boys and four girls that lived to Adulthood.

They celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary in 1954.

Palma died in 1956. I have visited their gravesite.

Salvatore lived until 1971.

All of their children are deceased. Yolanda Pierangeli, the youngest child past away a year ago.

The family lived in the mead st area. I visited my Aunt Carm (carmella) greco their when I was small. She passed away in 1984.

I would love to find any information on Palma.

Eventually I would like to find out information on Salvatore Aiello as well, siblings and parents. As well as the same information for Palma.

My greatgrandmother Mary (Aiello) Ruffalo was one of eight and she married Charles Ruffalo who was the oldest of 17 children. I have a long way to go.

I have done some digging but because I now live out of state and all the children are gone it becomes more difficult.

Thanks for everyone's help.

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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 17:16

Thank you for the additional details :D .
You may want to write to Rende for their marriage record (there's no charge).
Besides information on Salvatore and Palma, it will include their parents' names (it may also include parents' ages & occupations)

Research in Rende by writing to the comune:

Italian form letter generator with instructions:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Address:

Comune di Rende
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Garibaldi 1
87036 Rende CS
ITALY
http://www.nonsolocap.it/calabria/90-rende/

Website for finding comune addresses:
http://www.nonsolocap.it/
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You could also review your family’s records from Rende on microfilm.

Your nearest Family History Center has records for Rende (CS) from 1809-1910 on microfilm.
The cost is about $6 mo (rent), you’ll need to go to the center to order & view them.

Family History Library Catalog:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library ... t_fhlc.asp

film notes for Rende
Topic: Italy, Cosenza, Rende - Civil registration
Titles: Registri dello stato civile, 1809-1910 Rende (Cosenza).
Ufficio dello stato civile
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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 18:47

In case you don't have this

page 20
Racine Journal - Times
Friday, 13 July 1956

AIELLO, MRS. PALMA
2909 Gillen St.
Age 73.
Passed awav, Julv 12 in St. Mary's Hospital.
Mrs. Aiello was born in Rende, Italy, on 28 Feb 1883, and came to the U. S. in 1906.
She was a member of St. Lucy's Church.
Surviving are her husband, Salvatore;
three sons, Warren of Kenosha, Thomas and Frank of Racine;
four daughters, Mrs Eugene (Edith) Perrelle, Mrs Charles (Mary) Ruffalo, Mrs Arthur (Carmella) Greco, and Mrs Philip (Yolanda) Pierangeli;
one daughter-in-law, Mrs Justy Aiello, all of Racine;
twenty-one grandchildren;
three great-grandchildren;
one sister, Mrs Santo Mandarino of Chicago;
two brothers, Henry Molinaro of Racine, and a brother in Italy.
A son, Justy, preceded her in death in March, 1956.
Funeral services will be held Monday, 8:30 am, in the Marsh Funeral home and 9 am in St Lucy's Church, Rev Francis Vajda officiating.
Interment will be in Holy Cross Cemetery, Highway 32.
Friends may call at the Marsh Funeral home, 803 So. Main Street, Sunday afternoon and evening.
The Rosary will be recited Sunday evening 7:30 at the funeral home.

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(from Access Newspaper Archive)

Racine Journal - Times
Wednesday, 3 March 1954
page 14

(click here) "Wed 50 Years...

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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 19:59

From Palma Molinaro Aiello's obituary:

Palma's sister and brother-in-law?

1935 manifest
page 2

17 Oct 1935, SS Rex, Naples to NY

Santo Mandarino 49 (abt 1886)
- US citizen
- passport dated 1935
- (naturalization?) paper dated Chicago 1927

wife Carmina/Carmela Molinaro 46 (abt 1889)
- leaving daughter Gilda in Rende
- destination Chicago, Ill
- home 1923 Ohio Street
- born in Rende

Note: in the 1921 manifest (earlier post) Santo Mandarino is traveling with Francesco Molinaro - Palma's brother.

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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby nmaritch » 22 Jul 2009, 20:18

Thank you for the obituary. I don't have that in my records. My great grandmother was a great saver but not very organized. I have their 50th Wedding Anniversary clipping that is where I got some of the information. Two things confuse me. The date on her headstone says that she was born in 1884, yet her obit says that she was born in 1883? Is there a way to figure this out for sure? Also is there a reason that she wouldn't show up in the SSDI? Or in immigration records?

Thanks,

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Re: No records for Great Great Grandmother

Postby vj » 22 Jul 2009, 20:27

Hi!
Both the obituary and the headstone dates were probably dependant on a grieving family member's memory.
I'll bet that the 50th anniversary & her 70th birthday both occured in 1954 -since she was there to verify it :D .
Most Social Security records are found for folks who died starting abt 1962.
Can't find her manifest anywhere - that's why I was looking for siblings. I was hoping she had traveled with a family member. Best guess, her name is badly transcribed or illegible.
(and there's no doubt we have a lot of members looking for it!)
Valarie


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