Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sicily
Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sicily
Looking for info on Gaetano Grizzaffi (later known in US as Guy Grisafi) of Corleone (Corlione) , Palermo, Sicily. DOB - 12/11/1895. Ellis Island records show two records: one, arriving May 27, 1910 from Palermo on ship Mendoza, the other, arriving June 24, 1910 on Tomaso di Savoia, and DOB is listed as 1896 on both, though American passport says 1895. He traveled with relatives (assumption) on Tomaso manifest Appolonia Grizzaffi (23y m), Biagia Grizzaffi (10y M), Ma. Rosa (20y F Single), Maria Rosa (20 Y F Single) (doesn't look like duplication on manifest, but who knows?).
Listed cousin Oliverio Vincenzo, 346 E 105th St, NY, NY as final destination. Vincenzo was mother's maiden name, father Gerlando. Married Angelina Cerald (can find nothing in Ellis Island on her, interviewing old family friends for more info,have SS#, death record, not much else).
Would love to trace any family threads possible for husband. And would love to find family connections in Italy for him.
New at genealogy research. Grateful for suggestions and help on resources here or abroad.
Listed cousin Oliverio Vincenzo, 346 E 105th St, NY, NY as final destination. Vincenzo was mother's maiden name, father Gerlando. Married Angelina Cerald (can find nothing in Ellis Island on her, interviewing old family friends for more info,have SS#, death record, not much else).
Would love to trace any family threads possible for husband. And would love to find family connections in Italy for him.
New at genealogy research. Grateful for suggestions and help on resources here or abroad.
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Hello and Welcome to the Forum!
Do you need any assistance in locating US records?
Are you interested in help on how to research family in Italian records?
Just for reference, here are your 1910 ship manifests
There may be one more manifest, it appears that the family didn't sail on either of these dates
Thank you
Valarie
27 May 1910 manifest, lined off (did not sail)
page 2
24 Jun 1910 manifest, lined off (did not sail)
page 2
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note: not the correct Gaetano Grizzaffi
Another possible manifest
1912 manifest
page 2
3 Dec 1912, SS Kaiser Franz Josef I, Palermo to NY
Line 19
Gaelano ((Gaetano) Grizzaffi 17 (abt 1895)
- possible naturalization notations: 2-362632 ?/20/35 Rech 10/28/37
- single
- last residence Palermo Corleone
- in Corleone, father Giovanni Grizzaffi at Via Piazza (?)
- destination NY NY
- joining uncle (?) Apollinare (?) Grizzaffi at 209 E 102nd St
- born in Palermo Corleone
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about ship manifest markings
about naturalizatiion markings
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note: not the correct Gaetano Grizzaffi
Here's the Petition for Naturalization for the Gaetano Grizzaffi on the 1912 manifest
Different birth date & unmarried...
Born 26 May 1895
Single
Address in 1938:
1628 Washington Ave, Bronx
Do you need any assistance in locating US records?
Are you interested in help on how to research family in Italian records?
Just for reference, here are your 1910 ship manifests
There may be one more manifest, it appears that the family didn't sail on either of these dates
Thank you
Valarie
27 May 1910 manifest, lined off (did not sail)
page 2
24 Jun 1910 manifest, lined off (did not sail)
page 2
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note: not the correct Gaetano Grizzaffi
Another possible manifest
1912 manifest
page 2
3 Dec 1912, SS Kaiser Franz Josef I, Palermo to NY
Line 19
Gaelano ((Gaetano) Grizzaffi 17 (abt 1895)
- possible naturalization notations: 2-362632 ?/20/35 Rech 10/28/37
- single
- last residence Palermo Corleone
- in Corleone, father Giovanni Grizzaffi at Via Piazza (?)
- destination NY NY
- joining uncle (?) Apollinare (?) Grizzaffi at 209 E 102nd St
- born in Palermo Corleone
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about ship manifest markings
about naturalizatiion markings
---
note: not the correct Gaetano Grizzaffi
Here's the Petition for Naturalization for the Gaetano Grizzaffi on the 1912 manifest
Different birth date & unmarried...
Born 26 May 1895
Single
Address in 1938:
1628 Washington Ave, Bronx
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
This may help you locate family currently living in Italy.SondraG wrote:... And would love to find family connections in Italy for him...
Valarie
White pages:
http://www.paginebianche.it/index_en.html
LDS Family Search Letter Writing Guide
Form Letter to a Possible Relative
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Possible manifest for 1931, birth date of 1895, name that appears above his is going to same address and is listed as nephew:
Manifest
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Guy Grisafi
Arrival Date: 3 Aug 1931
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ship Name: Conte Grande
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 14
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5007
Page Number: 97
Manifest
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Guy Grisafi
Arrival Date: 3 Aug 1931
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ship Name: Conte Grande
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 14
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5007
Page Number: 97
___________________________
"Cambiano i suonatori ma la musica è sempre quella."
"Cambiano i suonatori ma la musica è sempre quella."
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
You already have this marriage record, however, maybe our members can give you further clues on the bride's maiden name:
Marriage Record Detail:
Date: 16 Jul 1919
Place: Montgomery, Fayette, West Virginia
Bride Groom
Name: Argelina Cerald Guy Grisafi
Birth Date:
Birth Place:
Age at Marriage: 17y 23y
Marital Status
Prior to Marriage:
Mother: Maria Vinccenzo
Father: Crats Gerlando
link to details and image
Marriage Record Detail:
Date: 16 Jul 1919
Place: Montgomery, Fayette, West Virginia
Bride Groom
Name: Argelina Cerald Guy Grisafi
Birth Date:
Birth Place:
Age at Marriage: 17y 23y
Marital Status
Prior to Marriage:
Mother: Maria Vinccenzo
Father: Crats Gerlando
link to details and image
___________________________
"Cambiano i suonatori ma la musica è sempre quella."
"Cambiano i suonatori ma la musica è sempre quella."
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Perhaps the name is Cerato, see the following link for record:
Death record
wldspirit
edit to add possible manifest, however, family not on board, which means there is another manifest to be found.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Angiolina Cerato
Arrival Date: 24 Jul 1904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Age: 2 Years 6 Months
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Le Havre
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Ship Name: La Bretagne
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 19
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_479
Page Number: 8
Death record
wldspirit
edit to add possible manifest, however, family not on board, which means there is another manifest to be found.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Angiolina Cerato
Arrival Date: 24 Jul 1904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Age: 2 Years 6 Months
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Le Havre
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Ship Name: La Bretagne
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 19
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_479
Page Number: 8
___________________________
"Cambiano i suonatori ma la musica è sempre quella."
"Cambiano i suonatori ma la musica è sempre quella."
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
VJ and Wldspirt,you are all incredible researchers. And I clearly need to read much more background material in order to understand the documents. Thanks for the resources.
Had no idea that the ship's manifest could be "tentative". Must read more on immigrant ships.
Not sure this is the right Gaetano, he had a US passport dated April 20, 1931. Doesn't jive with a 1935 naturalization, or does it? The 1931 trip was obviously a return trip to Italy, valuable information.
I learned last night that his Grandmother's last name was Cerrato, DOB 1902.
I do indeed want to locate family in Italy. I know there are Grisafi relatives, Grandma Grisafi and Mario (husband's deceased father) kept in touch. And Angelina's sister came to the US, but moved back to Italy, I guess after WWII.
BTW, death certificate was for husband's uncle. He will be interested, thanks.
I'm off to read and research. Will be back for expertise of group, I'm sure.
Fantastic forum!
Had no idea that the ship's manifest could be "tentative". Must read more on immigrant ships.
Not sure this is the right Gaetano, he had a US passport dated April 20, 1931. Doesn't jive with a 1935 naturalization, or does it? The 1931 trip was obviously a return trip to Italy, valuable information.
I learned last night that his Grandmother's last name was Cerrato, DOB 1902.
I do indeed want to locate family in Italy. I know there are Grisafi relatives, Grandma Grisafi and Mario (husband's deceased father) kept in touch. And Angelina's sister came to the US, but moved back to Italy, I guess after WWII.
BTW, death certificate was for husband's uncle. He will be interested, thanks.
I'm off to read and research. Will be back for expertise of group, I'm sure.
Fantastic forum!
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Hi!SondraG wrote:... Not sure this is the right Gaetano, he had a US passport dated April 20, 1931. Doesn't jive with a 1935 naturalization, or does it? The 1931 trip was obviously a return trip to Italy, valuable information...
I agree!
Wldspirit has found the correct Gaetano in WV
I'll make a notation on the records above
Valarie
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
In case you haven't seen these
from ancestry. com
probable 1917 WWI Draft Registration Card
Gaetano Grisafi 21
Harewood Fayette WV
Born 11 Dec 1895 in Girgenti Italy
Alien
Coal Miner
Kanawah & Hocking Coal Co
Harewood WV
Support Father & Mother & Brother 10 yr
Single
(Before 1927 Agrigento was called Girgenti.
Agrigento is a comune in the province of Agrigento)
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possible 1920 census
Home in 1920:
Falls, Fayette, West Virginia
head Jae Petra 40
boarder Gey (Guy?) Grisafa 24, abt 1896 IT
- immig 1912 in US 8 yrs, Al
wife Sena (Lena?) 18, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1913, Al
from ancestry. com
probable 1917 WWI Draft Registration Card
Gaetano Grisafi 21
Harewood Fayette WV
Born 11 Dec 1895 in Girgenti Italy
Alien
Coal Miner
Kanawah & Hocking Coal Co
Harewood WV
Support Father & Mother & Brother 10 yr
Single
(Before 1927 Agrigento was called Girgenti.
Agrigento is a comune in the province of Agrigento)
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possible 1920 census
Home in 1920:
Falls, Fayette, West Virginia
head Jae Petra 40
boarder Gey (Guy?) Grisafa 24, abt 1896 IT
- immig 1912 in US 8 yrs, Al
wife Sena (Lena?) 18, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1913, Al
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Thanks, VJ, very helpful info. DH is interested in Italian citizenship option, and since his father was born prior to Gaetano's naturalization, he may be able to obtain dual citzenship. Back burner, for the moment.
Man, this genealogy stuff is addicitve...lol
Man, this genealogy stuff is addicitve...lol
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
That would be terrific.DH is interested in Italian citizenship option, and since his father was born prior to Gaetano's naturalization, he may be able to obtain dual citzenship.
Not sure where Gaetano was indicating he was born on his WWI Card - the town of Agrigento or the Province. Do you have a record stating Corleone?
possible 1930 census
may be living with a relative (sister? sister-in-law?) & her family
possibly the nephew on the 1931 manifest?
Home in 1930:
Falls, Fayette, West Virginia
head Guy Grisgio 35, abt 1895 IT
- married age 23
- immig 1912, Na
- merchant, store
wife Angelina Grisgio 28, abt 1902 IT
- married age 17
- immig 1913 Na
son Petro Grisgio 9, abt 1921 WV
son Marro Grisgio 7, abt 1923 WV
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Not sure where Gaetano was indicating he was born on his WWI Card - the town of Agrigento or the Province. Do you have a record stating Corleone?
His attempts to sail in 1910 list Corleone as his residence. But his passport says Agrigento. Maybe after failed attempts to immigrate, he went to work in Grigento (Agrigento)??
1930 census corrrect, wife, sons are correct.
In 1931, he was living with wife, sons, maybe newly immigrated relatives from Italy were living with him. Or maybe it was Angelina's older sister....hmmm.
We are planning a visit to close friend of family, age of husband's father, who lived beside them and was like a daughter to Angelina. Hope much of this will be verified, cleared up when we see her. She's in her late 80's, so we'll take information for her to see, as opposed to asking her for raw details. Should be easier for her.
More and more exciting.
Sondra
His attempts to sail in 1910 list Corleone as his residence. But his passport says Agrigento. Maybe after failed attempts to immigrate, he went to work in Grigento (Agrigento)??
1930 census corrrect, wife, sons are correct.
In 1931, he was living with wife, sons, maybe newly immigrated relatives from Italy were living with him. Or maybe it was Angelina's older sister....hmmm.
We are planning a visit to close friend of family, age of husband's father, who lived beside them and was like a daughter to Angelina. Hope much of this will be verified, cleared up when we see her. She's in her late 80's, so we'll take information for her to see, as opposed to asking her for raw details. Should be easier for her.
More and more exciting.
Sondra
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Sounds like a great trip!
In case you don't have these from the Charleston Gazette
27 Feb 1937
Mine Car Jumps Tracks ...
4 Mar 1937
Readers' Forum
from Access NewspaperARCHIVE
In case you don't have these from the Charleston Gazette
27 Feb 1937
Mine Car Jumps Tracks ...
4 Mar 1937
Readers' Forum
from Access NewspaperARCHIVE
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
My best guesses , Valariewldspirit wrote:You already have this marriage record, however, maybe our members can give you further clues on the bride's maiden name...
link to details and image
If Gaetano's wife Angelina was also from Girgenti, her possible surname spelling could be Geraldi.
Elsewhere in Sicily it could also be Ceraldi (among other possibilities)
from http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/cognomi/cognomi.html
Re: Grizzaffi (Grisafi) family search -Corleone,Palermo,Sici
Angelina was from the Piemonte region. And her naturalization papers (SIL has them, haven't seem them yet) say her last name was Cerrato. So I'm hoping to get more info from SIL.
Big wow, VJ, on the Charleston Gazette articles. Don't think husband has ever seen them.
Big wow, VJ, on the Charleston Gazette articles. Don't think husband has ever seen them.