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Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby skyebaer » 31 Aug 2009, 22:36

My great Uncle Oscar Crandall ran a bus company in Rutland Vt in the early
1940's? Not sure when it started..he sold it to Greyhound in !953 I think.
When i researched his name the surname Camedula came up in one census survey, Any info would be more than i have thanks! Deb

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby sal4 » 01 Sep 2009, 00:43

I think I found him for you...........Sal4
Living on 151 East St.

Oscar Crandall
Home in 1920: Rutland, Rutland, Vermont
Age: 27 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Vermont
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Father's Birth Place: Vermont
Mother's Birth Place: Vermont
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Looking for surnames Iasalvatore (Salvatore), Tartaglia, Rosetta, Consola, Di Muccio, Castellano, Montanaro, Dipaolo, Costa, Sansone, Giudicianni and Laudato.

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby skyebaer » 01 Sep 2009, 11:20

thank you for the reply,,thats about all i could find until i found the 2nd census with all their names in Italian. Since i came to a dead end every where else i thought i would try here. I know his 2nd wifes name and his daughters,,and i know he had a sister,,then zip! Thanks again deb

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby pink67 » 01 Sep 2009, 12:17

Deb,

do you believe this 1900 census could be correct for Oscar?

1900 United States Federal Census
about Oscar C Crandall
Name: Oscar C Crandall
Home in 1900: Dorset, Bennington, Vermont
Age: 8
Birth Date: Apr 1892
Birthplace: Vermont
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Relationship to Head of House: Son
Father's Birthplace: Vermont
Mother's Name: Mary A
Mother's Birthplace: Vermont
Marital Status: Single
Residence : Dorset Town, Bennington, Vermont
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Crandall 35 head, widow, mother of three children, born in Vermont, place of birth of her father Candada (Fr), place of birth of her mother Canada (En),
Minola S Crandall 10 daughter, born in Vermont, parents born in Vermont
Oscar C Crandall 8 son, born in Vermont, parents born in Vermont

[img=http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5149/crandall1900.th.jpg]

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby skyebaer » 01 Sep 2009, 22:48

yes i do but i pretty well dead end there..cant trace the sister or his mother.
altho i've been assuming that the John Crandall buried near him was a brother..maybe not...the burial plot says Jasmine,,he was a nephew to them.
( thats the surname..was prev Janvier) Wasa hoping i could go further with the Italian surname! Thanks deb

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Postby sal4 » 01 Sep 2009, 23:30

Is this what you are looking for?
ola Camedula
[Minola Crandall]
Age in 1910: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Vermont
Relation to Head of House: Niece
Father's Birth Place: Vermont
Mother's Birth Place: Vermont
Home in 1910: Rutland Ward 1, Rutland, Vermont
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
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Household Members:
Name Age
Fred G Janvier 34
Julia R Janvier 33
Minola Camedula 20
Oscar Camedula 18

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby skyebaer » 02 Sep 2009, 11:22

thats almost exactly the last one i found,,before i lost them entirely. Thats how i knew the names had changed. Im sorry I'm not good at expressing what i already have..i'm new to this! thanks for the reply!

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby VaDeb » 02 Sep 2009, 12:52

I don't think Camedula is the correct spelling of the surname. Ellis Island has 0 entries spelled like that. Also negative on http://gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby suanj » 02 Sep 2009, 13:07

I believe that Camedula is only a bad transcription of Crandall surname in 1910 census; Oscar Crandall having not italian heritage... just my suggestion...
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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby VaDeb » 02 Sep 2009, 13:14

Skyebaer

Have you obtained the marriage and death records of these ancestors? They will provide clues in tracing back the next generation. Not all answers can be found in online research.

I was hoping that Suanj would recognize Camedula as a misspelled Italian Surname. The census record does support her suggestion. Hopefully additional research will provide the answers you are looking for.

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby skyebaer » 02 Sep 2009, 22:08

Thanks for the input! So you think the Census taker just garbled the name Crandall? I am unsure how to obtain marriage and death records other than online,,and until recently i had no idea when he was born,,the cemetery doesn't even have the date in their books ( i wanted to put a grave marker there) nor did his obituary. Plus it says 3 children.. i didnt even know there was a sister. Nobody ever mentioned her when i was growing up. thanks again, deb

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2009, 16:13

From the site Ancestry.com the birth date of Oscar:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Oscar Charles Crandall
Name: Oscar Charles Crandall
County: Rutland
State: Vermont
Birthplace: Vermont
Birth Date: 24 Apr 1892
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1984098
DraftBoard: 1

he stated he was born in East Dorset, Vermont....

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[img=http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5871/crandallwwi.th.jpg]

Same birth date on the military enlistment for the WWII

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Oscar Charles Crandall
Name: Oscar Charles Crandall
Birth Date: 24 Apr 1892
Birth Place: East Dorset, Vermont
Residence: Rutland, Vermont
Race: White
Roll: WW2_2368789

[img=http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5752/crandallwwii.th.jpg]

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2009, 16:46

sal4 wrote:I think I found him for you...........Sal4
Living on 151 East St.

Oscar Crandall
Home in 1920: Rutland, Rutland, Vermont
Age: 27 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Vermont
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Father's Birth Place: Vermont
Mother's Birth Place: Vermont
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes


this is the image of the 1920 census Sal4 found for you:
[img=http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/782/crandall1920.th.jpg]

he was the nephew of the head of this family and possible he was the father of the grand-niece Madeline, age 5.... he stated he was married but there isn't his wife on the census, maybe he was already widowed?

and this is the 1930 census for Oscar:

1930 United States Federal Census
about O C Crandall
Name: O C Crandall
Home in 1930: Rutland, Rutland, Vermont
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Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Vermont
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
O C Crandall 37 head, widowed, born in VT, occupation Bus Operator
Eva Vernon 30 housekeeper, single, born in VT
Vernon Earl 24 lodger, single
Gordon Ackley 22 lodger, single

[img=http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1723/crandall1930.th.jpg]

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby skyebaer » 04 Sep 2009, 11:34

This is the confusing part..he was the fatherf of Madelaine...why is he living with the Jasmines? Because of the child? ( i know there no way to research that) BUT i know he was not immediately woidowed,,they were seperated somehow because she drank..the Eva Vernon is my great aunt.and was his 2nd wife. But their marriage was later becauase he was already married when they met. Gordon Ackerly was his business partner in the bus company which they ran friom that address ( i grew up there years later) And Earl Vernon was her younger brother how do i find the marriage records?
Thanks so much for all your help!

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Re: Looking for Oscar Crandall which was Oscar Camedula?

Postby pink67 » 04 Sep 2009, 12:26

skyebaer wrote: i didnt even know there was a sister. Nobody ever mentioned her when i was growing up


Deb :D

I was looking better the 1920 census image for Oscar and family... Have you noticed there was a girl living with them all? She was Isabella Stone, niece of the head Fred Jasmin? 11 years old, born in New York...

I tried to search something for Minola Crandall (Oscar's sister) and found an interesting 1920 census manifest:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Minola Follansbee
Name: Minola Follansbee
Home in 1920: Rutland, Rutland, Vermont
Age: 30 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Vermont
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Father's Birth Place: Vermont
Mother's Birth Place: Vermont
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Follansbee 31 head, born in VT, occupation Truckman
Minola Follansbee 30 wife, born in VT
Lavinia Stone 13 boarder, born in New York

[img=http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7899/minola1920.th.jpg]

Do these names light something?
There are no other Minola living in Rutland...

this is the 1930 census for the same Minola...

1930 United States Federal Census
about Minola Follansbee
Name: Minola Follansbee
Home in 1930: Rutland, Rutland, Vermont
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Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Vermont
Relation to Head of House: Head
Mother's Name: Mary A
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Minola Follansbee 40 head, married, born in VT, Hairdresser
Mary A Kiley 65 mother, widowed, born in VT to Canada parents
Harry G Dingwall 58 lodger, single, born in VT

[img=http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4315/minola1930.th.jpg]

maybe Oscar and Minola's mother remarried? or maybe the last name was mispelled.... I think the two girls Isabella and Lavinia Stone both born in NY were related to the family....

How do i find the marriage records?


Possible Oscar did marry around 1914/15 as Madeline was 5 years old on 1920....

The Mormons microfilmed the civil records for the town of Rutland:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... C+and+de++

you can search by yourself using their microfilms... here is the link to find your nearest Family Histoyr Center:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... et_fhc.asp

and to find the town they filmed:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... umns=*,0,0

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