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Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby lookingforfamily » 09 Sep 2009, 03:26

Hello. I am looking for my family members from Italy. My grandfather's name was Emilio C. Donati and he lved in Florence. He was an Inn keeper in a place called Valumbroso. I am not sure if that was the name of the Inn or the Town or section of Florence. My mother's maiden name was Fiammetta C. Donati. She was born on February 6, 1920 or there abouts. The interesting thing is that she was born on the sixth of February but my grandfather did not "register" her until the eighth. So while she was born on the sixth, her birth certificate says the eighth. Her mother's name was Marie Delano. My grandmother Delano went to Italy to study opera and met my grandfather. They married and had five children: My uncle Corso Gualtieri Donati, uncle Richard Donati, aunt Mary Donati, aunt Fiora Donati and my mother Fiammetta Donati. My grandmother returned to the US with the children in the early forties I believe but my grandfather stayed in Florence. He came to the States when I was about five months old but went back home. Apparently he didn't care for life in the US. That is about all the information I have, as my mother and both of her parents have all passed away. If anyone out there has any information whatsoever, I wopuld most gratefully appreciate if you would let me know. Thank you so much. Sincerely, Emily Mahfood

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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby PeterTimber » 09 Sep 2009, 03:38

Vallambrosa is a frazione or neighborhood of the town of REGGELLO 50066 inthe Proivnce of Firenze. Go to www.tuttitalia.it/toscana/25-reggello and scroll down to Municipio for the address of the City hall where records are archives. Further the tourist portion of the town is the www shown alongside Municipio for more information
I would like to assist you but can yoube a bit more specific as to what information your seking?

There are form letters for documents which we can refer you to and requesting same is free of hcarge. Looking forward to hearing from you. =Peter=
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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 09 Sep 2009, 06:41

Hi Emily and welcome :D

maybe these records can help you...

from the site Ancestry.com here is the first arrival manifest for Fiammetta Donati:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiammetta Donati
Name: Fiammetta Donati
Arrival Date: 23 Sep 1929
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1921
Age: 8
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Vulcania
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Italy
Line: 16
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4588
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: firenze
Page Number: 6

page 1:
[img=http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8246/donatifiammetta1929page.th.jpg]
page 2:
[img=http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4026/donatifiammetta1929pagen.th.jpg]

she was travelling with her mother Maria Delano Donati (age 39, so born aprox. on 1891 in Boston MA) and was going to Tuckahoe NY to join her grandmother Mary Delano.
They stated they were leaving in Italy the Husband/father Donati Emilio living on 44 Orcania Street - Firenze (the right spell of the street is Orcagna)
but maybe this was just a travel to visit relatives.... :?:

There is another arrival manifest on 1937:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiammetta Donati
Name: Fiammetta Donati
Arrival Date: 1 Oct 1937
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1921
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Place of Origin: Canada
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Canadian;Italian (South) (Canadian)
Ship Name: Roma
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Italy
Line: 20
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_6055
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: Florence
Page Number: 30
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

page 1:
[img=http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7420/donatifiammetta1937apge.th.jpg]

page 2:
[img=http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4162/donatifiammetta1937page.th.jpg]

Fiammetta and her mother Mary Delano Donati were travelling from Italy to USA but Fiammetta stated her last residence was Sandy Cove - Canada.
Their final destination was their home on 24 Chesnut Street, Westerle, RI
They stated their father/husband Emilio Donati was living in Saltino - Florence (Hotel Abetina).

Saltino is an hamlet of the Comune of Reggello in the Firenze Province :

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltino_(Reggello)

This is in English:

http://www.welcometuscany.it/tuscany/fl ... o-town.htm

I don't know if this is the same Hotel were Emilio lived but maybe.... (who knows)? :D

http://www.hotelabetina.com/camere_en.html

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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 09 Sep 2009, 07:07

Emily, it seems that your grandmother Mary and grandfather Emilio did several trip between Italy and U.S.

this is a 1930 arrival manifest for Emilio (travelling alone)

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Emilio Donati
Name: Emilio Donati
Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1930
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Vulcania
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Italy
Line: 2
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4843
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: firenze
Page Number: 9

page 1:
[img=http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2555/donatiemilio1930page1.th.jpg]
page 2:
[img=http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7601/doantiemilio1930page2.th.jpg]

unfortunately the second page is almost illegible...

and another trip on 1938:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Emilio Donati
Name: Emilio Donati
Arrival Date: 24 Nov 1938
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Trieste, Italy
Place of Origin: Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian;Italian (North) (Italian)
Ship Name: Vulcania
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Italy
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_6253
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: Firance
Page Number: 45
Friend's Name: Marie Donati
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

page 1.
[img=http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3641/donatiemilio1938page1.th.jpg]
page 2:
[img=http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9207/donatiemilio1938page2.th.jpg]

in this second page he stated he was joining his wife mary in Westerly, RI and he was leaving in Italy his father Ferruccio Donati on Via Pietro Zacca 18 - Firenze
He also stated he was in RI before, on 1934...

and another arrival on 1948:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Emilio Donati
Name: Emilio Donati
Arrival Date: 30 Nov 1948
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Vulcania
Search Ship Database: Search the Vulcania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 21
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_7683
Page Number: 35

image:
[img=http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5176/donatiemilio1948.th.jpg]

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Postby suanj » 09 Sep 2009, 10:27

first trip???

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Emilio Danati
Name: Emilio Danati
Arrival Date: 9 Nov 1911
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 20 Years 9 Months
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy

Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Hamburg
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Italy
Line: 6
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1769
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: ference
Page Number: 143

father Ferruccio Donati in Via della Robbia, Firenze; going in Cleveland, OH
pag 1 http://img143.imageshack.us/i/emiliodonati1911.jpg/

pag 2 http://img29.imageshack.us/i/emiliodonati1912.jpg/
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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 09 Sep 2009, 10:38

Emily :D

possible birth record for Emilio:

from:
http://www.operaduomo.firenze.it/battesimi/

image:
[img=http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9360/r214p136.th.jpg]

Donati Emilio Gino Antonio Maria son of Ferruccio Donati (father unknow) and Isabella Corsinovi (father Antonio Corsinovi) was born on January 24, 1891.

I believe it's him!

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Postby suanj » 09 Sep 2009, 13:19

great find Laura, sure it is he!
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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 10 Sep 2009, 13:02

:D Emily,

I'm glad we were able to help you... for sure now you have a lot of records to "study"...
I hope you're not feeling overwelmed by all these informations and dates...

Just to "complete" the family here is the first arrival in the U.S. for Riccardo and Corso Donati on 1933....
Riccardo was 10 years old (born approx. on 1923) and Corso 7 years old (born approx on 1926) and it was their first arrival, so it seems Mary did many travels and stays between Italy and USA...

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Maria Donati
Name: Maria Donati
Arrival Date: 6 Apr 1933
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ship Name: Conte di Savoia
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 11
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5313
Page Number: 25

image page 1:
[img=http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6497/donatiriccardoecorso193.th.jpg]
image page 2:
[img=http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6497/donatiriccardoecorso193.th.jpg]

here is a 1919 arrival manifest showing Mary travelling with her two daughters Fiora (age 4) and Mary (age 10 months):

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiora Donati
Name: Fiora Donati
Arrival Date: 14 May 1919
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Age: 4
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Pesaro
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Massachusetts
Line: 19
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2644
Birth Location: Massachusetts
Birth Location Other: United States of America
Page Number: 121

page 1:
[img=http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6003/fdonatifiora1919page1.th.jpg]

page 2:
[img=http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9894/donatifiora1919page2.th.jpg]

and concerning Fiora Donati, it seems she was born in Sommerville MA, yopu can read her birth dates on this 1928 arrival manifest:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiore Donati Sessica
Name: Fiore Donati Sessica
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1928
Estimated Birth Year: 1915
Age: 13
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Providence
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Massachusetts
Line: 3
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4330
Birth Location: Massachusetts
Birth Location Other: sommerville

Page Number: 2

[img=http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7527/donatifiore1928arrival.th.jpg]

on the site Ancestry.com (subscription site) there are others arrival manifests for your relatives... :D

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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 11 Sep 2009, 12:34

Ciao Emilia :D

these are the arrival manifests on Ancestry.com about Fiora Donati:

already posted:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiora Donati
Name: Fiora Donati
Arrival Date: 14 May 1919
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Age: 4
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Pesaro
Search Ship Database: Search the Pesaro in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Massachusetts
Line: 19
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2644
Birth Location: Massachusetts
Birth Location Other: United States of America
Page Number: 121

page 1:
http://img269.imageshack.us/i/fdonatifi ... page1.jpg/
page 2:
http://img38.imageshack.us/i/donatifiora1919page2.jpg/

already posted:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiore Donati Sessica
Name: Fiore Donati Sessica
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1928
Estimated Birth Year: 1915
Age: 13
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Providence
Search Ship Database: Search the Providence in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Massachusetts
Line: 3
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4330
Birth Location: Massachusetts
Birth Location Other: sommerville
Page Number: 2

[img=http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7527/donatifiore1928arrival.th.jpg]

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Jessica F Donati
Name: Jessica F Donati
Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1930
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Vulcania
Search Ship Database: Search the Vulcania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4843
Page Number: 9

please note she was travelling with her father Emilio Donati listed on line 2

image:
[img=http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8692/donatifiora1930.th.jpg]

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiora Donati
Name: Fiora Donati
Arrival Date: 14 Sep 1931
Estimated Birth Year: 1915
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Boulogne Sur Mer, France
Ship Name: Minnekahda
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Massachusetts
Line: 15
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5039
Birth Location: Massachusetts
Birth Location Other: sommerville
Page Number: 181

she was returning home: Putnam Hall - Poughkeepsie - NY

[img=http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6377/donatifiora1931.th.jpg]

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fiora Donati Iessica
Name: Fiora Donati Iessica
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1935
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ship Name: Rex
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Massachusetts
Line: 6
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5694
Birth Location: Massachusetts
Birth Location Other: Somerville
Page Number: 62
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

[img=http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/146/donatifiora1935.th.jpg]

This is a nice document for you :D
It''s the 1920 federal census for Mary Delano Donati, it was January 1920 and she was living in Middlebury (Vermont) with her two daughters Fiora and Mary:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Marie D Donati
Name: Marie D Donati
Home in 1920: Middlebury, Addison, Vermont
Age: 29 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Vermont
Mother's Birth Place: Vermont
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 231
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Salomon B Aines 49
Gracia D Aines 47
Phillip D Aines 20
Pauline A Kent 23
Dean F Kent 4 5/12
Marie D Donati 29 boarder, married, born in MA, occupation Musician
Flora J Donati 4 11/12 daughter, born in MA
Marie Donati 1 5/12 daughter, born in IT
Terese Fagronli 26
Herbert Brokenshire 23

[img=http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3876/donatimaria1920census.th.jpg]

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edit to add:

I hope you can open this link:
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspapers ... ehtml&.pdf

from:

Poughkeepsie NY Eagle News 1937 -

Mr and Mrs Emilio Donati of Florence.
Italy and Weterly. R I . have
announced the engagement of their
daughter Flora Donati, to Ray Palmer
Jr son of Mr and Mrs Ray
Palmer of Great Barrington Mass.
Miss Donati attended schools in
Florence, the Putnam Hall School for
Girls. :n tins city, and Sue"'?. Brian
Mr. Palmer attended Roxbury He
was formerly Eastern junior 'tennis
champion, is a member of the Ttr.
Regiment, and l.s with the Consolidated
Eeli.-on company.

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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 11 Sep 2009, 12:54

Your mother, Fiammetta's arrival on 1932, travelling with her older sister Mary

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Frammetta Donati
Name: Frammetta Donati
Arrival Date: 28 Sep 1932
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1921
Age: 11 Years 7 Months
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: President Hayes
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Ni,Ita
Line: 2
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5235
Birth Location: Ni,Ita
Birth Location Other: Florence
Page Number: 2

[img=http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8375/donatifiammetta1932arri.th.jpg]

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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 11 Sep 2009, 13:39

Emilia,

on the (awesome) site:
http://www.operaduomo.firenze.it/battesimi/
I found also Emilio's father baptism record :!:

Here is the image:

http://img40.imageshack.us/i/r187p113donati.jpg/

I'm waiting for the help to translate it from the italian site:
http://www.tuttogenealogia.it/index.php ... pic&t=2817

However, as I wrote before, Ferruccio's father was unknown while his mother was Irene Donati? (daughter of Filippo Donati) He was born on December 25, 1864 under the parish of San Lorenzo in Florence and he took his mother's lastname...
His godmother was Maria (daughter of Filippo Donati) so possible Irene's sister... :?:

Edi to add correction... thanks to the friends on Tuttogenealogia.it

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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 11 Sep 2009, 20:24

Emilia :D

I was checking the site of the Baptism in Firenze and found another very interesting document for you....
It seems Emilio had (until now, as I'm keep on searching... :lol: ) a sister:

Here is the image of the Baptism registry:
[img=http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3392/r438p116donatirina.th.jpg]

Donati Rina, Gemma, Irene, Maria del Sig? Ferruccio figlio naturale d'Irene e della Sig. Isabella Marfisa? di Antonio Corsinovi coniugi - Popolo San Marco Vecchio, nata 23 [gennaio 1893] a ore 12 antimeridiane.
Comp. Ubaldo di Giovanni Tolleri, .... Comare Gemma Chelussi Alessandrini.
Sposata il dì 6 febbraio 1915 con Mario di Antonio Mattioli nella Parrocchia della Santissima Annunziata in Firenze

Donati Rina Gemma Irene Maria daughter of Ferruccio, natural born of Irene, and [daughter] of Isabella Marfisa? Corsinovi, daughter of Antonio - Parish San Marco Vecchio, born on January 23, 1893 at 12 a.m.
Godfather Ubaldo Tolleri (son of Giovanni) and godmother Gemma Chelussi Alessandrini
Donati Rina married Mario Mattioli (son of Antonio) on february 6, 1915 in the parish of Santissima Annunziata - Florence.

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Re: Searching for Family from Firenze

Postby pink67 » 11 Sep 2009, 21:25

I found on the web several references to Rina Donati Mattioli as singer in the Opera.... :!:
On this site you can find the chronology of the Operas and her role:

http://www.lavoceantica.it/Cronologia/M ... terfly.htm

http://www.lavoceantica.it/Cronologia/A ... schera.htm

http://www.lavoceantica.it/Cronologia/M ... tofele.htm

http://www.lavoceantica.it/Cronologia/J ... engrin.htm

so, possible she knew Mary Delano.... :D

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