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G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby RJRagone » 10 Sep 2009, 20:28

Hi, I'm new to this site and looking for direction. My G-Grandfather, Agostino Pagano came thru Ellis Is. Aug. 12, 1895, he was single, 21 years old and departed Europe from Havre, France. How would I find out what part of Italy he was from so I can do some more digging.

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby wldspirit » 10 Sep 2009, 21:17

If not listed on ship's manifest, it may be listed on naturalization records...if he naturalized...also draft registration of 1917/1918 and 1942.
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Postby wldspirit » 10 Sep 2009, 21:27

Possible second trip? Manifest list previously in US from 1895 to 1914...


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Agostino Pagano
Arrival Date: 10 Nov 1914
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Genoa,Ita
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Stampalia
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Italy
Line: 17
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2383
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: brugagli
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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby PeterTimber » 10 Sep 2009, 21:32

Dear RJ he appears to come from Bargagli, Genova Province, Liguria region in Italy. Currrently there are 21 Pagano listed inthe Bargagli telephone directory at www.paginebianche.it putting in Pagano inthe first line and Bargagli in the second line and click CERCA.

Should you wish to know more about Bargagli then go to the following website. www.tuttitalia.it/liguria/23-bargagli and scroll down to MUNICIPIO for the address where you can obtain documents of birth,marriage or death free of charge by writing to the Ufficio di Stato Civile at that address.

Go to www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwisdom/it ... tters.html for the form letters in Italian. =Peter=
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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby RJRagone » 10 Sep 2009, 21:44

Thanks for the information!! I haven't seen any information about a second trip. That is new information and the birth year seems to be right. Thanks again for all your help on this! This is my grandmother's father, my grandfather is also from the Genova/Savona area......but that's another search.

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Postby wldspirit » 11 Sep 2009, 04:40

Happy to help out...if you need any further information, just ask...
IG has a great team of volunteers!! :wink:
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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby RJRagone » 11 Sep 2009, 17:25

Thanks wldspirit and Peter! It's amazing how fast and helpful you've been! I'm sure that I will have more questions and, hopefully, will be able to volunteer help to others in the future as I learn more about this.

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby Biff83 » 11 Sep 2009, 18:08

WWI Draft Card
Name: Augustino Pagano
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Street Address: 213 East 56th St (same address as wldspirit's manifest find)
Occupation: Owner Grocery
Birth Date: 7 Nov 1874
Nearest relative: Rose? at same address

1910 census
Name: August Pagano
Age in 1910: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's Name: Mary
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 19, New York, New York
Year of Immigration: 1897
Occupation: Grocer
Household Members: Name Age
August Pagano 34
Mary Pagano 37, born California
Joseph Pagano 1 8/12 (named for father Agostino's father Giuseppe on wldspirit's manifest find)
Irene Pagano 6/12

Marriage info from IGG site
Groom Name/Date/Certificate #/County
Pagano Agostino May 12 1904 9738 (1904) Manhattan
Bride
Pogzi Marie May 12 1904 9738 (1904) Manhattan

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby RJRagone » 11 Sep 2009, 18:48

Thanks for looking Biff!! Being a newbie and thinking that I was only looking at my g-grandfather's roots, I didn't provide needed data. Agostino married Corine?, I know she went by Cora, in New York, sometime around 1905, he was around 29 and she was 17. She immigrated to America when she was 3 and her maiden name was Demarkis or Demarchis, not sure on the spelling. I think she was from Guazzolo, Italy, a small village east of Torino, but not sure. Sorry for the lack of information. I'm still gathering..............

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby vj » 11 Sep 2009, 19:11

Hello RJ!
For reference, is this the correct family?

possible 1920 census

Home in 1920:
486 West 136th Street, rents
Manhattan Assembly District 13, New York, New York

head Andrew Pagano 45, abt 1875 IT
- immig ?
- waiter restaurant
wife Cora Pagano 33, abt 1887 IT
- immig 1900
daughter Mafalda Pagano 12, abt 1908 NY
- immig 1905??
sister-in-law Theresa Demarkis 24, abt 1896 IT
- immig 1906
- singer, theatre
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possible 1910 census

Home in 1910:
1331 Third Avenue, rents
Manhattan Ward 19, New York, New York

head Andro Pagano 34, abt 1876 IT
- married 5 yrs, abt 1905
- immig 1892, Pa (filed 1st papers)
- proprietor, restaurant
wife Jora (Cora) Pagano 24, abt 1886 IT
- 1 child
- immig 1903
daughter Marie Pagano 3, abt 1907 NY

mother-in-law Victoria Dourskis 51, abt 1859 IT
- married 35 yrs, abt 1875
- 8 children
- immig 1910
brother-in-law Joseph Dameskis 21, abt 1889 IT
- immig 1906
sister-in-law Theresa Damrkis 18, abt 1892 IT
- immig 1906
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This marriage record from IGG??

Name Marriage Date Certificate Number County

Pagano Andrea Oct 15 1905 24085 (1905) Manhattan
Demarchis Anna Oct 15 1905 24085 (1905) Manhattan
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There are quite a few great free search sites, I've listed a few below.
Did you need any help with records from subscription-only sites?
Valarie

Some free sites in case you haven't used them yet:

Ellis Island, NY Arrivals 1892-1924
http://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html

FamilySearch Pilot
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/rec ... 7819#start

NYC Records
Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York:

NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records (1901-1907
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902 (requires ancestry. com subscription)
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/
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:D Hi Biff! :D

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby RJRagone » 11 Sep 2009, 20:28

Thank you very much Valarie!! I'm pretty sure that these are the right records. The names sure are strange though! In the 1910 census, the name Marie is right and in the 1920 it's "Mafalda"?!?!? And the different spellings of Demarkis, or whatever it's supposed to be....it's a wonder peoples roots can be found! And, thanks also for the free sites, I've been to Ellis but not too many others. It seems that most want a credit card before you can look at anything.

Marie (Pagano) Ragone was my dad's mom, she was born in New York. My dad's father, Anthony George Ragone was born in Italy around 1906, not sure where, he jumped ship in New York sometime around 1921 and was WOP until WWII broke out. He joined the Army and received his citizenship papers. I have tried to get his Social Security Application, but was unsuccessful. I thought that might list his home town in Italy. I know at some point that I will need to start writing to parts in Italy, I'm just not sure where to write yet.

Ahhh, so many mysteries and so little time!

Thanks again to all who have helped!! The journey continues........

RJ

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby vj » 11 Sep 2009, 20:36

RJ,
I'm glad we found some records for you - they should have a few clues you can use for locating the vital records you're missing.
I think you'll like the NYC search sites.
Don't worry too much about census names, ages, and immigration information - it all depended upon who was giving the information to the enumerator, how much they knew or remembered, whether or not they could make themselves understood and whether or not the census enumerator was diligent in doing their job :wink: .
De Marchis/DeMarchis may be the correct spelling.
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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby RJRagone » 11 Sep 2009, 20:42

Valarie,
I appreciate all the help that I've been given, I will start looking on the NYC search sites right away. I feel very fortunate to have found this site!
RJ

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby vj » 11 Sep 2009, 22:45

RJ wrote:I appreciate all the help that I've been given ... I feel very fortunate to have found this site ... RJ


Great Teamwork!
We're all always happy to help.
Welcome to the Forum :D
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RJ wrote: My dad's father, Anthony George Ragone was born in Italy around 1906, ... I have tried to get his Social Security Application, but was unsuccessful. I thought that might list his home town in Italy...


RJ,
I'm surprised they couldn't find his application.
Did you include his SS# with your request?
Valarie

SSDI
Name: Anthony Ragone
SSN: 092-01-4495
Last Residence: 97459 North Bend, Coos, Oregon
Born: 16 Dec 1906
Died: Mar 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)

Social Security Application SS-5

About the SS Application:
http://genealogy.about.com/od/online_re ... equest.htm
The SS-5, or Application for Social Security Number is a great resource for learning more about individuals who died after about 1960, and generally includes the following:
- Full name
- Full name at birth, including maiden name
- Present mailing address
- Age at last birthday
- Date of birth
- Place of birth
- Father's full name
- Mother's full name, including maiden name
- Sex
- Race as indicated by the applicant
- Whether the applicant ever applied for Social Security or Railroad Retirement before
- Current employer's name and address
- Date signed
- Applicant's signature


Order form SSA-711 (can be done online):
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

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Re: G-Grandfather Pagano

Postby Biff83 » 11 Sep 2009, 22:53

Hi Valarie :D ! Nice finds.

RJ,
Since the Pagano family records Valarie found are for your family, the WWI draft card, 1910 census and marriage records I posted for Agostino (Augustino) Pagano are incorrect; also the manifest wldspirit located for Agostino Pagano is not your great grandfather's.

Should we be looking for a ship manifest for Andrea rather than Agostino Pagano??

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