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Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby lilkkiesa » 16 Oct 2009, 03:42

I am 21 years old and decided to make a family tree of my family but i cant get beyond 4 Generations back. I know my Grandmothers parents were from Sicily, while my Grandfathers parents were from Bari.

If anyone can find anything to help me it would be greatly appreciated.

Grandfather- Michael Cirillo His father- Paul Cirillo His mother- Angeliose Rose (dont know maiden name)

Grandmother- Catherine Durante Her father- Dominick Durante Her mother- Giuseppa Gerace??

I would also appreciate the finding of my grandmothers mothers correct apelling and name. I've seen Guisippini, Guiseppa and multiple others.

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby PeterTimber » 16 Oct 2009, 03:57

www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwisdom/fr ... earch.html to reassure you thatyou are not missing anything to go beyond 4 generations back.

4 generations should put you inthe realm of the first 1809 records on microfilm at your nearest Mormon church familyhistory library (www.familysearch.org). Please advise what specifics can we provide so that you can continue your research. =Peter=
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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby lilkkiesa » 16 Oct 2009, 04:44

i know that Paul Cirillo was born in 1861, Angeliose Rose in 1866.

Dominick Durante Birth 1880 Giuseppa Gerace Birth 1883.

I want to be able to get the information about there births, deaths, parents and marriage dates.

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby wldspirit » 16 Oct 2009, 11:34

Bari is both a province and a town, while Sicily is a region....we must identify the exact town of origin in order to obtain records....

Have you completed all US research?
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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby PeterTimber » 16 Oct 2009, 14:02

If you wish to know how to obtain these records go to the following website. Form letters in Italian are supplied here as well

www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwisdom/it ... tters.html

The address to mail them is Ufficio di Stato Civile and the addresses will be immediately transmitted to you once you tell us the towns of origin.=Peter=
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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby vj » 16 Oct 2009, 14:06

wldspirit wrote:... Have you completed all US research?
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There is a family page on ancestry. com by 'dsalvaterra'
lilkkiesa does it belong to you?
Thanks!
Valarie

it includes these linked records:
1920 & 1930 census for Paul Cirillo & Angelarose in Onondaga County NY
1920 census
1930 census

1930 census for Dominick Durante & Josephine Geraci in Oneida County NY
1930 census
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DURANTE

From Old Fulton Newspapers for NY state
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Dominick Durante
obituary from Utica Daily Press 1945

DURANTE
Dominick Durante husband of Josephine Geraci
10 Jan 1945 of 529 Mary St aged 65 years
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Process%20 ... ehtml&.pdf

Mrs Josephine Durante
obituary from Utica Daily Press 1968

died 20 Feb 1968
born in Palermo, daughter of Pietro and Frances Gerace
married in Utica to Dominick Durante in 1911
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Process%20 ... ehtml&.pdf
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edit: added detail from 1930 census

1930 census

Home in 1930:
529 Mary Street, owns $3000
Utica, Oneida, New York

head Dominick Durante 50, abt 1880 IT
- 1st marriage age 18, abt 1898
- immig 1903, Al
- cleaner, plush mill
wife Josephine Durante 47, abt 1883 IT
- 1st marriage age 16, abt 1899
- immig 1904, Al
- seamstress, tailor shop
daughter Frances Durante 18, abt 1912 NY
daughter Catherine Durante 14, abt 1916 NY
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It appears that Domenico and/or Josephine (Giuseppa/Giuseppina Geraci) may have been married twice

possible 1920 census
next page

Home in 1920:
529 Mary Street, owns
Utica Ward 10, Oneida, New York

head Domenick Durand 40, abt 1880 IT
- immig 1901 Al
- tinsmith, roofer
wife Josephine Durand 40, abt 1880 IT
- immig 1910
daughter Catherine Durand 4, abt 1916 NY
daughter Lena Pappa 18, abt 1902 IT
- married
- immig 1910
grandson Harry Poppa 1 1/12, abt 1918 NY
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no birth location...

possible 1918 WWI Draft Registration Card

Dominic Doranta (Durante) 39 yrs old
529 Mary St
Utica Oneida NY
born 15 Nov 1879 in Italy
non-declarant
mechanic
Josephine Durante (at same address)

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby lilkkiesa » 16 Oct 2009, 21:23

Valarie, dsalvaterra is my cousin, on my mothers side. but I am trying to also trace back my dad's side of the family. so I am kind of going off track from him.

And in responce to Wldspirit I know that my GGrandmother is from Palermo, and my GGrandfather is from Provincia de Bari. I appreciate every bit of help and information and thanks alot to Valarie because you have helped out more than you can imagine.

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby vj » 16 Oct 2009, 21:30

Thank you so much for the update :D .
We'll be happy to see what else we can find for both sides of your family.
Have you tried out the Fulton Newspaper site - it takes some time to come up with the right combination of search terms. No doubt there are more articles on your family.

Your grandfather, Michael Cirillo, was born in Italy (province of Bari)?
Have you been able to locate any of his family's ship manifests?
Do you know if their original destination was Syracuse (Onondaga County) NY?

Thanks!
Valarie
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CIRILLO

expanded census records from earlier in the post:

1930 census

Home in 1930:
55 Hillside St
Salina, Onondaga, New York

head Thomas Fermonte (Fiermonte?) 34, abt 1896 IT
- rents $50
- married age 23, abt 1919
- immig 1913 Al
- repairman car, steam railroad co
wife Angelina Fermonte 26, abt 1904 IT
- married age 15
- immig 1917 Al
daughter Isabelle Fermonte 10, abt 1920 NY
daughter Rose Fermonte 8, abt 1922 NY
daughter Nicoletta Fermonte 7, abt 1923 NY
daughter Theresa Fermonte 5, abt 1925 NY
son Patsy Fermonte 10/12, abt 1929 NY

father-in-law Paul Cirillo 69, abt 1861 IT
- married age 24, abt 1885
- immig 1914 Al
mother-in-law Angeliose (Angelarose?) Cirillo 64, abt 1866 IT
- married age 19
- immig 1914 Al
brother-in-law Michael Cirillo 25, abt 1905 IT
- single
- immig 1913 Al
- presser, tailor shop
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1920 census

Home in 1920:
306 Ash Street
Syracuse Ward 3, Onondaga, New York

head Paul Cirillo 60, abt 1860 IT
- owns house with a mortgage
- immig 1902 Al
- laborer, lighting co
wife Angeline Cirillo 56, abt 1864 IT
- immig 1910 Al
son Frank Cirillo 25, abt 1895 IT
- immig 1903 Na (naturalized citizen) 1919
- laborer, lighting co
son (in-law) Thomas Firimond 25, abt 1895 IT
- immig 1911 Al
- laborer, lighting co
daughter Angeline Firimond 18, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1916 Al
son Michael Cirilla 15, abt 1905 IT
- immig unknown
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1917 WWI Draft Registration Card

Frank Cirillo 23
508 Pearl, Syracuse, Onondaga, NY
27 Aug 1894 in Bari
- single
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possible 1916 manifest
page 2

19 Dec 1916 SS Caserta, Napoli to NY
line 30
Angela Cirillo 14 (abt 1902)
- possible naturalization notation
- single
- last residence Giovinazzo (Bari, Puglia)
- in Giovinazzo brother Paolo
- destination Syracuse NY
- joining father Paolo at 525 Salina (?) St
- born in Giovinazzo

special inquiry page

helpful site on manifest notations:
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/
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difficult to read

from ancestry. com
1913 manifest
page 2
special inquiry page

from Ellis Island
1913 manifest
page 2

24 Jul 1913 SS Principe di Piemonte, Napoli to NY
lines 21-23

Salvatore Piscitelli 21, abt 1892
- last residence Giovinazzo
- in Giovinazzo wife Rosina
- destination Syracuse NY
- joining father-in-law Paolo Cirillo at 325 Salina St
- born in (?)

brother-in-law Francesco Cirillo 19, abt 1894
- last residence Giovinazzo
- in Giovinazzo brother Paolo
- destination Syracuse NY
- joining father Paolo
- born in Giovinazzo

brother-in-law Michele Cirillo 8, abt 1905
- possible naturalization notation: 7-67441 5/19/36
- last residence Giovinazzo
- in Giovinazzo sister Rosina
- destination Syracuse NY
- joining parents
- born in Giovinazzo
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possible 1911 manifest
page 2

5 Apr 1911 SS Principe De Piemonte, Napoli to NY
line 6

Angela Lasorda (probably Lasorsa) Cirillo 44, abt 1866-7
- last residence Giovinazzo
- in Giovinazzo son (?) Rosa Cirillo
- destination Syracuse, NY
- joining husband Paolo Cirillo at 525 Salina? St
- born in Giovinazzo

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby vj » 16 Oct 2009, 23:51

lilkkiesa wrote:...I want to be able to get the information about their births, deaths, parents and marriage dates...


When you're ready :D :

Italian record research for CIRILLO and LASORSA in Giovinazzo

You could write to the comune Giovinazzo for your grandfather Michele's birth record (act)

Italian form letter generator with instructions:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Address:

Comune di Giovinazzo
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Vittorio Emanuele II, 64
70054 Giovinazzo BA
ITALY
http://www.tuttitalia.it/puglia/51-giovinazzo/


Website for finding comune addresses:
http://www.nonsolocap.it/
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You could also review your family’s records on microfilm.

Your nearest Family History Center has records for Giovinazzo on microfilm.
The cost is about $6 mo (rent), you’ll need to go to the center to order & view them.

Family History Library Catalog:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library ... t_fhlc.asp

film notes for Giovinazzo

Topic:
Italy, Bari, Giovinazzo - Civil registration

Titles:
Registri dello stato civile, Giovinazzo (Bari), 1809-1900 Giovinazzo (Bari).
Ufficio dello stato civile
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Italian Record Research from FamilySearch guides:
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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby lilkkiesa » 17 Oct 2009, 00:28

Valarie I found out from my relatives that the Cirillo side of my family were destined to Syracuse, NY while my grandmothers side (Durante and Gerace) were destined for Utica, NY. I hope this little bit of information helps.

My Aunt and mother are already amazed at the information that was found and cant believe that they are finding out things about their father and grandparents that they didn't even know!

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby vj » 17 Oct 2009, 00:43

Hello :D !

Yes the destination helps.
I'm hoping we can find your Durante & Geraci manifests.

Your Cirillo family seemed to get larger with every manifest :wink: !
I'm so glad your aunt & mother are enjoying the hunt - it really can be fun.

Valarie

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby lilkkiesa » 17 Oct 2009, 08:29

Also, I have been trying to work on the Gerace/Geraci side of my family and I am having trouble getting anywhere beyond Pietro and Frances which was in my GGrandmother Josephine's Obituary.

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby vj » 17 Oct 2009, 14:14

DURANTE/GERACI

Do you know who the Joseph Pape mentioned in Josephine's obituary belonged to?
Was the Lena on the 1920 census his wife or sister?

Is this his SSDI?

Name: Joseph Pape
SSN: 129-01-xxxx
Last Residence: 13350 Herkimer, Herkimer, New York
Born: 21 Jun 1901
Died: Nov 1972
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)

Calvary Cemetery Herkimer
Pape Joseph A. 6/21/1901-11/21/1972 hus of Marian E.
Pape Marian E. 6/21/1911-5/18/1993 wife of Joseph A.

It usually only takes finding one manifest with the last residence in Italy to help us find more.
Chances are Joseph (Giuseppe?) was born in Italy...

Thanks! Valarie

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby lilkkiesa » 17 Oct 2009, 16:41

Joseph Pape was Josephine's first husband and he widowed her. And Lena married Joseph Pape Jr. but they did not use junior so Joseph Pape was Josephine's first husband before Dominick Durante and they had a son also named Joseph Pape. Then Lena and Joseph were divorced and then Joseph married Marian. Joseph Pape senior was definitely born in Italy and my Aunt believes that he was born in Palermo. My GGrandmother we believe was pregnant and she ran away with Joseph Pape against her parents wishes. Then he passed away and Dominick had sent to Italy for a wife and they hooked him up with Josephine.

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Re: Durante and Gerace (Geraci) and Cirillo

Postby vj » 17 Oct 2009, 17:02

PAPE/GERACI

Great, that may help us locate a manifest
Josephine should have traveled under Geraci (women in Italy keep their maiden names).

Was Lena's given name Corinna?
There is a Corinne & Harry Pape living on Salina in a 1931 directory (no Joseph)

Thank you
Valarie

NY Arrival search site:
http://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
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A bit on Joseph Pape's family
(Pape is probably not the original Italian name...)

Giuseppa Geraci Pape Durante's son

Joseph Pape 1901-1972
1st wife Lena Unknown 1902
- son Harry abt Nov 1918

2nd wife wife Marian Unknown 1911-1993
- son Robert J 1931-1987 married Rose Carona 1931-2007
- daughter Frances married Joseph Casale
- son Joseph
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Joseph's son, Robert J Pape's wife Rose:
Record, The (Troy, NY) - November 12, 2007
Deceased Name: Rose M. Pape
COLONIE - Rose M. Pape, 76, of the Eddy-Ford Nursing Home in Cohoes, died peacefully Friday evening after a long illness.
Born on October 23, 1931, she was the daughter of the late Ida Vendura and Philip Carona of Frankfort.
After graduating from Frankfort High School in 1949, she married the late Robert J. Pape of Herkimer. Following her marriage, she dedicated her life to her husband and her two children, Robert J. (Marie McCallum) Pape Jr. and Pamela (Thomas) Lamb.
Rose was an extraordinary hostess and her home was often the gathering place for many everyday feasts and special holidays.
In earlier years, she was employed by Syracuse China in Albany and the General Electric Co. in New Hartford.
Rose was a communicant of Our Lady of Mercy Church in Colonie.
She was the sister of the late Angelo Carona, Louis (Mary Lou) Carona, Clara (Alex) Tasovac, Jack (Dolores) Carona and Marian (Dominic) Ganci.
She is survived by four loving grandchildren, Audrey Connor Pape, Elise Talbot Pape, Thomas Edward Lamb II and Evan Vincent Lamb; nieces Ellen Tasovac, Maryann (Michael) Wright, Christine (Daniel) Beney and Mary Noel (Jude) Reardon, Gwen Ganci, Suzanne Carter and Marianne (Earl) Hoosier; and nephews Richard (Mary) Ganci, Jack (Sandy) Carona, James (Shannon) Carona, Philip Carona and Joseph (Caroline) Carona.
She is also survived by her devoted sister-in-law Frances (Joseph) Casale and dearest friend and angel on earth Dorothy Rice.
Relatives and friends are invited to attend and may call at the New Comer-Cannon Family Funeral Home, 343 New Karner Road (Route 155 south of Central Ave) in Colonie, Monday evening from 4 to 7.
Funeral services will be Tuesday morning at 9:30 at Our Lady of Mercy Church, 26 Wilson Ave. in Colonie, where a Mass of Christian Burial will be celebrated. Interment will be in Calvary Cemetery in Herkimer.
Thank You to the dedicated staff at the Eddy-Ford Nursing Home for your kindness and care throughout this difficult time.
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