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Nationality...Italian?

Postby anauman » 20 Nov 2009, 03:57

I am trying very hard to find our family's country of origin. According to records, a Caustina Finicle and a Maria Finicle came to the United States and both were Italian. How can I determine if this is true?..and how do I know if Finicle truly is Italian? I know it is not a common name at all, but understand it could have been changed. Confused and frustrated...any help is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby suanj » 20 Nov 2009, 06:18

anauman wrote:I am trying very hard to find our family's country of origin. According to records, a Caustina Finicle and a Maria Finicle came to the United States and both were Italian. How can I determine if this is true?..and how do I know if Finicle truly is Italian? I know it is not a common name at all, but understand it could have been changed. Confused and frustrated...any help is greatly appreciated!

hi,
if you means this 2 ship's manifests:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Maria Finicle
Name: Maria Finicle
Arrival Date: 25 Feb 1884
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Age: 2
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Italy
Ethnicity/Race¬/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Burgundia
Search Ship Database: Search the Burgundia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 30
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_473
List Number: 189
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

well the surname is wrote FIVRILE but I think wrong also ( FIVRILLO??? FIORILLI??)

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Caustina Finicle
Name: Caustina Finicle
Arrival Date: 8 Jul 1909
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race¬/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Roma
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Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Italy
Line: 16
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1299
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: creicco
Page Number: 18

abt Caustina, really Cristina, travel crossed, the surname is illegible ( seeming as. Finia???)and also the italian residence town is illegible.....
if you can provide more details maybe we can help better...
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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby anauman » 20 Nov 2009, 15:12

Thank you so much for your help! Unfortunately, the information you listed is all that I have. I am not positive that FINICLE is Italian. We have no idea at all. I just did the search on immigration records for the surname and that is what I found, except there is also a "Marga Finicle" listed from Russia. The hand writing does not look like FINICLE though. ?? Another reason that I do not think I am italian is because most of us FINICLEs are fair, blonde, and blue eyed.
The farthest I can go back from the US is 1853 John Finicle - Perry County, Pennsylvania, US, Married to Elizabeth, daughter Annie, and brother Joseph (1861) - Joseph is my great-great-great grandfather. I appreciate all you have done to help me!

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby vj » 20 Nov 2009, 15:33

anauman wrote:... The farthest I can go back from the US is 1853 John Finicle - Perry County, Pennsylvania, US, Married to Elizabeth, daughter Annie, and brother Joseph (1861) - Joseph is my great-great-great grandfather...


Hello!
For reference, here's the 1880 census you mentioned, 3g-grandfather Joseph living with his brother John.
1880 Census Finicle

In the same area in 1870, probably Joseph & John with their parents
Everyone born in PA
Father Wm Fenicle was a land owner
1870 Census Fenicle
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In this book you'll find references to the Finicle family in Perry County as early as 1810
[url=http://books.google.com/books?id=pYXTAAAAMAAJ&dq=Churches+between+the+mountains:+a+history+of+the+Lutheran+congregations+in+...+By+D+H+Focht&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=XekWbJPH1S&sig=ug3uzi5P0q3OOc7EmBlpEuK3Ag4&hl=en&ei=y7kGS_74Mc-_lAfrq-WEBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA]Churches between the mountains: a history of the Lutheran congregations in Perry County By D H Focht
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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby anauman » 20 Nov 2009, 15:44

Thank you so much...this helps tremendously...hopefully, it will help with my search to find William Fenicle's parents, and so on....

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby anauman » 20 Nov 2009, 15:49

Wait...it looks like the Cenus is showing the same spellling of Finicle...this gets to be confusing! thanks again!

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby vj » 20 Nov 2009, 15:52

No doubt you'll find several different spellings
I added a book link to my earlier post that you may enjoy.
If it's your family, they were Lutheran. In PA chances are they were German?
Do you need help with 1850 & 1860 census records?
Valarie

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby johnnyonthespot » 20 Nov 2009, 15:57

anauman wrote:... I am not positive that FINICLE is Italian.


FINICLE is almost certainly NOT Italian. There is not a single listing in the current Italian telephone directory, nor does it appear on this surname mapping tool.

I tried several spelling variations without success...

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby anauman » 20 Nov 2009, 16:16

VJ - thanks - I am checking out the book now! Anything else you send my way would be great...wish I had time for this hobby! - ha!
Nationality is my goal....but yes, I figured german too...BUT I'm not sold on it.

Johnny - thanks for looking into this! I am very novice, but really want to take some information home to my grandparents over the holidays...so I'm digging the best way I know how.

THANK YOU BOTH!

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby PeterTimber » 20 Nov 2009, 19:17

I located a record for an AU....FANIGLA arriving on SS Roma at NYC on 9/23/1904 male,aged 30. The manifest is illegible but not the Citizenship#IX-61492 dated 3/9/1939. He was married and place of orign is MESSINA SICILY. =Peter=
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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby anauman » 20 Nov 2009, 19:22

Peter, Thank you! Are you thinking this is a relative (FINICLE)?
I apologize, but I am not sure I understand.

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby PeterTimber » 20 Nov 2009, 20:05

Most certainly since it would be pronounced FAN-IG-LA much like FIN-IN-CLE but I suspect that might might have originally been spelled FINIGLIA. =Peter=
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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby anauman » 20 Nov 2009, 20:08

thank you so much! - you have no idea how much I appreciate this! I'll keep digging!

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby johnnyonthespot » 20 Nov 2009, 22:05

PeterTimber wrote:Most certainly since it would be pronounced FAN-IG-LA much like FIN-IN-CLE but I suspect that mit might have originally been spelle FINIGLIA. =Peter=


Sorry Peter but not at all...

Visit this site and hear it properly pronounced.

Something on the order of fee-KNEEL-ya, I believe.

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Re: Nationality...Italian?

Postby PeterTimber » 21 Nov 2009, 00:25

Dear Johnny there are no rules for mispellings or mispronunciation. If you wish to be phonetic then FEE-NIG-LA for Finigla and FEE-NEEK-LA for Finicla.

An American pronouncing Finiglia (FEE-NIG-LI-YA) would come out sounding like that phonetic spelling but as you know the Italian pronounciation is FEE-NEEl-YA and since we are talking about the USA thaty would not be correclty pronounced. =Peter=
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