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Fenical/Ranich

Postby anauman » 25 Nov 2009, 05:42

Found something interesting when trying to do my family tree...
Russel D Fenical DOB 1899 (Fenicle, or Finicle) also has a Census with the name Russel D Ranich ??...everyone in the family has the name change...and then it goes back to Fenicle again.

I am so confused and can't seem to figure out why - OR which name to proceed with...Fenical or Ranich?...which is our real name?

Parents are the same - so I assume no adoption...sibling and parents have the change.
Any help is appreciated! - thanks
I think William Fenical is the prior generation - but stuck after him too. Figured I better find out about the Ranich first.

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Re: Fenical/Ranich

Postby suanj » 25 Nov 2009, 06:16

anauman wrote:Found something interesting when trying to do my family tree...
Russel D Fenical DOB 1899 (Fenicle, or Finicle) also has a Census with the name Russel D Ranich ??...everyone in the family has the name change...and then it goes back to Fenicle again.

I am so confused and can't seem to figure out why - OR which name to proceed with...Fenical or Ranich?...which is our real name?

Parents are the same - so I assume no adoption...sibling and parents have the change.
Any help is appreciated! - thanks
I think William Fenical is the prior generation - but stuck after him too. Figured I better find out about the Ranich first.


Hi,
1870 United States Federal Census
about William Fenicle
Name: William Fenicle
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Age in 1870: 49
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1870: Watts, Perry, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Post Office: New Buffalo
Household Members: Name Age
William Fenicle 49
Lucy A Fenicle 41
John D Fenicle 18
Christina Fenicle 14
Joshua S Fenicle 10
Mary C Fenicle 6
Joseph A Fenicle 8
Margaret Fenicle 4
Susan A Fenicle 2

Joseph A Fenical ( Fenicle other version) was the father of Russel D Fenical, and the son of William Fenical;

now I know not if the following data are rights, but it are on ancestry.com:

William Fenical
Born: 13 Nov 1827
Rye, Perry, Pennsylvania, USA
Died: 23 Mar 1878
Cumberland, [county], Pennsylvania, USA



William married at Lena Knaub b.10 Jan 1843; Marriage: 7 Nov 1858; William Fenical was the son of Simon Fenical :
Simon Fenical
Born: 11 May 1780
Tyrone, Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA
Died: 8 Feb 1855
Perry, [county], Pennsylvania, USA

married at Margaret
Born: 1785 in [city], [county], Pennsylvania, USA
Died: abt 1822 in Tyrone, Perry, Pennsylvania, USA;


Simon Fenical was the son of
Johann Martin Fenikle
Born: 22 Aug 1762
Trappe, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA
Died:
Tyrone, Perry, Pennsylvania, USA

and Johann Martin Fenikle was the son of Simon Van Winckel
Born:
[city], [county], [state], Germany
married at
Apollonia Sulier
Marriage: 22 Oct 1758 in Old Trappe Church, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA

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Re: Fenical/Ranich

Postby anauman » 25 Nov 2009, 12:49

Thanks! I used the 'church' book you sent me last - but there were 2-3 different Simon's...and the spellings of the last names thru me off.

Do you have any idea about "RANICH"?...how the family changed from Fenical to Ranich and then back again?
or why it happend? - for some reason I do no think it was an error???

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 25 Nov 2009, 14:00

anauman wrote:Found something interesting when trying to do my family tree...
Russel D Fenical DOB 1899 (Fenicle, or Finicle) also has a Census with the name Russel D Ranich ??...everyone in the family has the name change...and then it goes back to Fenicle again.

I am so confused and can't seem to figure out why - OR which name to proceed with...Fenical or Ranich?...which is our real name?

Parents are the same - so I assume no adoption...sibling and parents have the change.
Any help is appreciated! - thanks
I think William Fenical is the prior generation - but stuck after him too. Figured I better find out about the Ranich first.


Please be aware that census reports from the era most of us are interested in are notoriously inaccurate especially in regards to the spelling of foriegn names. The correct spelling of my maternal surname is "De Iacovo", yet I have found the family (there can be no doubt; 9 children, correct ages, correct Italian/anglicized given names, and correct address...) listed as Yaconian in the 1920 census and De Decara in 1930. I can't wait for the release of the 1940 census. :)

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Re: Fenical/Ranich

Postby anauman » 25 Nov 2009, 14:14

Thanks again! - makes me feel better! - especially knowing that I didnt 'give up on that spelling

any suggestions as to where I could find photos?

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Re: Fenical/Ranich

Postby suanj » 25 Nov 2009, 14:51

Hi,
I believe that Ranich was used for some reason... but from 1850 census the surname is Fenical ( almost in USA):
1850 United States Federal Census
about William Fenical
Name: William Fenical
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Home in 1850(City,County,State): Rye, Perry, Pennsylvania
Family Number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Simon Fenical 65
Elizabeth Fenical 50
William Fenical 22
Christian Fenical 25
Simon Fenical 18
Rebecca Fenical 13



in 1840 the surname is spelled Fenicle:
1840 United States Federal Census
about Simon Fenicle
Name: Simon Fenicle
Township: Rye
County: Perry
State: Pennsylvania


previous, in 1810, (but I know not if it was the same person) similar surname:
Name: Simon Finnacle
Residence: 1810 - Tyrone, Cumberland, Pennsylvania


1810 United States Federal Census
about Solomon Fennacle
Name: Solomon Fennacle
Township: Rye
County: Cumberland
State: Pennsylvania


1810 United States Federal Census
about John Finical
Name: John Finical
Township: Hopewell
County: Washington
State: Pennsylvania


Name: Adam Finnacle
Residence: 1810 - Tyrone, Cumberland, Pennsylvania
Name: John Finnacle
Residence: 1810 - Tyrone, Cumberland, Pennsylvania
Name: Simon Finnacle
Residence: 1810 - Tyrone, Cumberland, Pennsylvania


also the surname in Pennsylvania was spelled : Fenicle/Fanecle;

Dryland Union Lutheran Church, Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1763-1832 about Anna Maria Fenicle
Name: Anna Maria Fenicle
Description: Born
Event: Birth
Date of Event: 24 Apr 1821
Remarks: Surname Fanecle or Fenicle.
Church: Records of Dryland Union Luthern Church, Hecktown, Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1763-1832

Dryland Union Lutheran Church, Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1763-1832
about Elizabeth Fanecle
Name: Elizabeth Fanecle
Description: Mother
Event: Death
Remarks: Surname Fanecle or Fenicle.
Church: Records of Dryland Union Luthern Church, Hecktown, Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1763-1832


Dryland Union Lutheran Church, Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1763-1832
about Georg Fanecle
Name: Georg Fanecle
Description: Father
Event: Death
Remarks: Surname Fanecle or Fenicle.
Church: Records of Dryland Union Luthern Church, Hecktown, Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1763-1832

it is impossible to say the right surname spelling.. I no found Ranich surname in old censuses;
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Re: Fenical/Ranich

Postby anauman » 25 Nov 2009, 15:03

I saw Simon also - but i am afraid to add him to my tree without knowing for sure....thanks again! if it is him....I can go back to 1534! I"m just a little unsure about him (and was unsure about William - before you helped me) thanks!


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