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Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby SChiarini » 01 Dec 2009, 04:46

Hi,

I seemed to have hit a brick wall when trying to find a birth certificate for my Great Grandma! It seems that no one in my family knows exactly where she was born , they *think* it is Bari, where my great grandfather was also born, however no one is 100% sure.

I have looked all over - ancestry.com, footnote.com, ellisisland.org, and even castle garden's website. I have come up with nothing! Her death certificate only states that she is from Italy. I have her Naturalization papers - however that does not show what town in Italy she is born in.

I also wrote to two communes in Bari to search for a birth certificate but I have not received a response yet.

Her name is Angelina (Lena/Angeline/Angela) Ferrante. She lived in Brooklyn, NY. Her birthday is Nov 11, 1889. I'm not sure what year she came over here either...

If anyone knows another way to search I would appreciate it very much!
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby PeterTimber » 01 Dec 2009, 04:54

I do no want to overlook the obvious. So Ferrante is her maiden name and you do not say when she died nor where she went to live when she first came to the USA (I mean Boston, New Orleans, Philadelphia what section of the usa did she live in. Where was she married??????? What does family stories about the family say about the Feast celebrated in their home town in Provincia di Bari??(similar to Madonna di qua si sana=Toritto)

Get back to us as soon as you can with the good news. =Peter=
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby SChiarini » 01 Dec 2009, 05:08

Hi Peter

Ferrante was her maiden name, Proscia was her married name. I believe she lived in Brooklyn, New York all her life. She was married in Mary Help of Christians' Church- 440 East 12th St. New York, New York on October 11, 1914. Unfortunately my grandmother has alzheimer's and doesn't remember anything. My father is not much help either :( All he really remembers is Bari.. I know her father's name was Vito Ferrante and mothers name was Bernadette Paccione. I tried doing searches on them as well but no luck.
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby suanj » 01 Dec 2009, 11:52

SChiarini wrote:Hi Peter

Ferrante was her maiden name, Proscia was her married name. I believe she lived in Brooklyn, New York all her life. She was married in Mary Help of Christians' Church- 440 East 12th St. New York, New York on October 11, 1914. Unfortunately my grandmother has alzheimer's and doesn't remember anything. My father is not much help either :( All he really remembers is Bari.. I know her father's name was Vito Ferrante and mothers name was Bernadette Paccione. I tried doing searches on them as well but no luck.

Hi, Vito Ferrante came in USA, second travel, coming from Toritto, Bari, born in Toritto around the 1860; joining at Benedetta Paccione wife in NY; already in USA from 1889 to 1909; next of kin in Toritto the sister: Rosa
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Vito Ferrante
Name: Vito Ferrante
Arrival Date: 30 Jul 1908
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Age: 48

Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Luisiana
Search Ship Database: Search the Luisiana in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Bari
Line: 6
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1125
Birth Location: Bari
Birth Location Other: corotto (TORITTO)

Page Number: 30
1910:

1910 United States Federal Census
about Belletta Ferando
Name: Belletta Ferando
Age in 1910: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Hito

Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 28, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of Immigration: 1899
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hito Ferando 50
Belletta Ferando 46
Angelena Ferando 16
Marie Ferando 8





1920:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Vito Ferrante
Name: Vito Ferrante
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 8, New York, New York
Age: 56 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Penedetto

Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1899
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 872
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Vito Ferrante 56
Penedetto Ferrante 60



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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby suanj » 01 Dec 2009, 11:57

you can request the birth certificate ( Estratto Atto di nascita-Modello Plurilingue) here:
demografici.comune.toritto @ pec.rupar.puglia.it
( NO SPACES)
or:
demografici @ comune.toritto.ba.it
(NO SPACES)
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Servizi Demografici
Via Municipio, 11
70020 Toritto (BA)
Italy
helpful form letter in italian language:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... /index.asp
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby vj » 01 Dec 2009, 17:39

Hi!
Is this the correct 1933 Petition for Naturalization for your g-grandmother Angeline Ferrante Proscia?
(Birth date doesn't match, states 1 Oct 1896)
As suanj :D found above, her birth location is Toritto.
Children's names appear to match the 1930 census found here
http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Foru ... 14509.html
It states that her husband Francesco filed his Declaration of Intention in 1929, died in 1932.
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from footnote. com (subscription)

1933 Petition

Publication Number: M1879
Publication Title: Petitions for Naturalization of the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York, 1865-1937
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
State: New York
Court: Eastern District
Birth Country: Italy
Document Date Year: 1933
Surname: Proscia
Given Name: Angeline
Document Type: Petition for Naturalization
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edit: added

filed on footnote (and probably NARA) under Angeline Proscia

1929 Declaration

Publication Number: M1879
Publication Title: Petitions for Naturalization of the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York, 1865-1937
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
State: New York
Court: Eastern District
Birth Country: Italy
Document Date Year: 1929
Surname: Proscia
Given Name: Angeline

Document Type: Declaration of Intention
Alias Given Name: Francesco
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby vj » 01 Dec 2009, 20:14

from suanj's :D clues and information on Angeline Ferrante Proscia's 1933 Petition

1899 manifest
17 Jun 1899, SS Patria, Marseilles France to NY
lines 1-3
Benedetta Pacciano 35(?), abt 1864
- wife
- last residence Torrito
- destination NY
- joining husband Vito Ferrante at 202 E 6th(?) Street
Son Rocco 10, abt 1889
Son (daughter) Angela 4, abt 1895
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby suanj » 01 Dec 2009, 21:37

wonderful find vj!
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby vj » 01 Dec 2009, 21:46

Thank you suanj,
I just followed your lead :D .
I hope Stephanie finds the extra records useful.
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby SChiarini » 04 Dec 2009, 20:11

I just saw all your posts now...after hours of trying to call different relatives and search the internet. :) The slight difference in names is what confused me, and the incorrect birthdays!

You are all so wonderful and incredibly helpful!

However, like Suanj said, I do not think I can qualify for dual citizenship - since my GGmother renounced her italian citizenship -- although I read somewhere that since the children were born in American- they were already American citizens so they never had to renounce their Italian citizenship?

Still not 100% sure I do not qualify - I'm trying to stay hopeful :)
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby suanj » 04 Dec 2009, 21:42

the children born in USA are US citizens, but they have also the citizenship of parents, if the parents no renounced ...
instead if the parents with all children renouncing, well also the children becoming US citizens totally and they cannot transmit the Italian citizenship to their children when they are born....
pratically: who born from a mother or a father that a renounced to italian citizenship, well it cannot be elegible...
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby SChiarini » 04 Jan 2010, 04:16

Hey Suanj

Hope you had a Happy New Year!!

Would you happen to have the Fax number to the Toritto Comune?

Thank you
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby Michael31 » 04 Jan 2010, 06:03

www.paginebianche.it
cognome: Benedetto, Ferrante, Paccione, Proscia dove: Toritto

http://www.comune.toritto.ba.it/
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby suanj » 04 Jan 2010, 15:06

you can write here:
Ufficio Stato Civile tel/fax + 39 0803805326
http://www.torittonline.altervista.org/ ... _info.html

demografici @ comune.toritto.ba.it
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http://www.comune.toritto.ba.it/index.php?menuid=33
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Re: Need help finding information about my great grandma

Postby SChiarini » 27 Mar 2010, 23:33

Hi all!

I think I hit a brick wall again! I sent away 3 months ago for a birth certificate for my great grandmother - mentioned above- to Toritto - I then wrote a follow up letter since it is March and I still haven't heard anything.

To make the long story short I received an email this morning basically saying they have NO records of an Angelina Ferrante born in Toritto during the dates I gave them.

Does anyone know if the commune can check their records based on a persons name since I dont have an exact date of birth?

thanks!
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