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De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 02:33

Hi Im new. Ive been doing genealogy for awhile but am at a stand still here. My great grandparents are Giuseppe De Filippis and Adelina Lazzaro. They are both from Vasto and came to America on the Ancona in May 1911. They had several children in Union City and Hoboken, NJ.

Giuseppe I can find no info on. I have date of birth and death but dont know his parents names. Also, its my family's belief he never became naturalized which would make me eligible for dual citiznship. Adelina Im assuming naturalized because she has a social security number. Her parents are Tomasso Lazzaro and Francesca DeFrancesca ( supposedly)

Anyone familiar with these names or family?

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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby suanj » 02 Dec 2009, 10:40

Hi, by 1930 census, Giuseppe and Adelina are both naturalized:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Giuseppe Defelipes
Name: Giuseppe Defelipes
Home in 1930: Union City, Hudson, New Jersey

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Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Adelina
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

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Household Members: Name Age
Giuseppe Defelipes 49
Adelina Defelipes 43
Augusto Defelipes 18
Anna Defelipes 16
Nick Defelipes 15
Mike Defelipes 11
Thomas Defelipes 9
Frank Defelipes 7
Lucy Defelipes 5
Antonio Defelipes 3 8/12

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1920 United States Federal Census
about Joe Devolips
Name: Joe Devolips
[Joe Davolipo]
Home in 1920: West Hoboken Ward 3, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 34 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Italy

Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Adaline
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1910
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
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Household Members: Name Age
Joe Devolips 34
Adaline Devolips 33
August Devolips 8
Amersete Devolips 6
Mick Devolips 5
Mick Devolips 8/12


in this census also both they are naturalized in 1917
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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 16:07

Im a little confused though. Because on Giuseppe's world war I draft card he had it checked off he was a alien declarent in 1917. And your saying on the census it says he was naturalized?

Also, can you be naturalized without a social security number? Or maybe he does have one but I couldnt find it from the name mispellings. Youve been so helpful, thank you!

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Postby suanj » 02 Dec 2009, 16:37

maybe he naturalized just after the WWI draft registration card... you can read by yourself:
1920 census
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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 16:49

I checked. It seems they both naturalized when they got here. So dual citizenship is out. Now i have to concentrate on working backwards because I dont know his parents name. Thanks again!
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Postby suanj » 02 Dec 2009, 17:41

the italian citizenship is no out if you are the descendents of some Giuseppe's child born before of naturalization
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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby suanj » 02 Dec 2009, 17:47

for name's parents you can request the birth act in Vasto civil records office, and it is enough the birthdate( you have it)
Servizi Demografici
Piazza Barbacani, 2
66054 Vasto(CH)
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info@ comune.vasto.ch.it (NO SPACES)
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italian form letters very helpful
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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 17:54

suanj wrote:the italian citizenship is no out if you are the descendents of some Giuseppe's child born before of naturalization



My grandfather was born in 1923 after naturalization. What confuses me is it says on census the naturalization year is the same year they arrived, 1911. And I cant find any records of the naturalization anywhere. Im wondering if they confused naturalization with their arrival being its exactly the same year. Matter of fact on the 1920 census it says they were naturalized in 1910 and they didnt arrive yet. The record keeping is horrible

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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 18:25

Now Im thoroughly confused about whether Giuseppe was naturalized or not. Listen to this:

1920 census says naturalized 1910 ( they didnt come till 1911)
1930 census says naturalized 1911 ( the year they came)
World War I draft card of 1917-1918 has him listed as alien declarant.

He could have become naturalized after 1918 WWI card but why do the censuses say he was naturalized 1910-1911. I dont know.

And I cant find a shred of evidence that he was naturalized, no paperwork at all. There is no record of a social security number and he never learned english the whole time he was here ( 58 years!) I dont see how he could have become a citizen.So now I have no clue.


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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby Biff83 » 02 Dec 2009, 18:47

Alicia,

If Giuseppe naturalized in Hudson county, the county clerk's office might be able to locate his records. Check the link below. If you have any questions, you can call the phone number at the top of the page.

http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/natural.htm

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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby vj » 02 Dec 2009, 19:04

Hello!
According to his 1911 manifest, Giuseppe De Filippis was in the US from 1905 (or 1908) to 1910 in Hoboken
Have you found his other manifest(s)
They may have notations made later by naturalization officials
(Adelina has notations dated 9 Sep 1941)
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1911 manifest
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http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/occ/

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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 19:04

Thank you so much. Hopefully I can get somewhere with this. Thanks a ton!

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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 19:13

vj wrote:Hello!
According to his 1911 manifest, Giuseppe De Filippis was in the US from 1905 (or 1908) to 1910 in Hoboken
Have you found his other manifest(s)
They may have notations made later by naturalization officials
(Adelina has notations dated 9 Sep 1941)
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1911 manifest
page 2
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Ill have to look for another manifest. I didnt see that nor had any idea what it said! My family just assumed they both came together on May 11. What does the date next to Adelina mean? Naturalization date?
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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby DeFilippis78 » 02 Dec 2009, 19:20

vj wrote:Hello!
According to his 1911 manifest, Giuseppe De Filippis was in the US from 1905 (or 1908) to 1910 in Hoboken
Have you found his other manifest(s)
They may have notations made later by naturalization officials
(Adelina has notations dated 9 Sep 1941)
Valarie

1911 manifest
page 2
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I cant find any other Giuseppe Defilippis that would come over in 1905,1908,or 1910 which the age would match up
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Re: De Filippis and Lazzaro family from Vasto

Postby vj » 02 Dec 2009, 19:23

DeFilippis78 wrote:... What does the date next to Adelina mean? Naturalization date? ...


Alicia,
It appears to be the date that someone in the Southern Distict of NY (2) looked up Adelina's arrival manifest.
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