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Whats the english form of these names

Postby DeFilippis78 » 17 Dec 2009, 22:45

On a ship manifest there is a relative listed as Epifanio or Epifania. Im not sure if its a boy or girl. And then there is Antonia? Once they came to America what names would they use? Oh yeah, also sigismundo?

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Postby PeterTimber » 17 Dec 2009, 23:26

EPIPHANY is english translation from Italian language Epifanio(male versions) and Epifania (female version). Name from christian celebration of visit of the Magi on January 6

SIGMUND is one of several english versions of Sigismundo which is one of several variations of the old German name SIGMUND rarely used as a first name and more commonly used as a surname. The name means Protector

Antonia not normally translated from Italian to English but is merely transposed female version of the name Anthony.

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby MauroMags » 18 Dec 2009, 00:26

Antonia is simply Antoinette

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby DeFilippis78 » 18 Dec 2009, 00:32

So Im wondering if maybe when they got here they might have used a different name. Either a fictitious one or perhaps a middle name? I cant find any reference to Epifanio or Epifania. So I dont know if Im looking for a male or female. Sigmund I actually have seen and I know hes related I just dont know how. Maybe a cousin or nephew or something. Antoinette makes sense because thats my mothers middle name and I always wondered where that name came from !

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby PeterTimber » 18 Dec 2009, 00:37

Antoinette is a French given name, the feminine form of ANTOINE. Antonia is one of three variations of Antonius from which Antoine is derived. Antonia is mutually exclusive of Antoinette. =Peter=
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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby PeterTimber » 18 Dec 2009, 00:45

Epifania is a Greek name not Italian in origin and female because it ends in "A" (italian language grammar relates) =Peter=
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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby DeFilippis78 » 18 Dec 2009, 00:50

But is there an Epifanio? Is it possible this name was given to a boy? On the manifest its hard to tell an a from an o.

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Postby misbris » 18 Dec 2009, 01:08

Yes,

The "0" ending is masculine, the "a" feminine.

Examples, Antonio, Antonia
Paolo, Paola
Vito, Vita
Epifanio, Epifania

There shoud be a notation on the manifest about gender, but sometimes that is not correct.

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby DeFilippis78 » 18 Dec 2009, 01:16

The name above it is marked as a G with an x through it. Epifania is below it with those dashes saying its the same. Im assuming its Epifania. Ellis Island has it listed as a girl. Anyone know why I keep seeing this G with an x thought it for a female? It was on the whole manifest

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby misbris » 18 Dec 2009, 01:22

If you post the manifest, it would be easier to respond.

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby DeFilippis78 » 18 Dec 2009, 01:28

not sure how to do that

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby PeterTimber » 18 Dec 2009, 14:25

Alas! Alas! Perhaps some further research reading Italian Genealogical Records by Trafford R. Cole will resolve your dilemma. =Peter=
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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby liviomoreno » 18 Dec 2009, 14:32

DeFilippis78 wrote:not sure how to do that

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You may just give us the name under which you found the manifest.

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby liviomoreno » 18 Dec 2009, 14:34

misbris wrote:Yes,

The "0" ending is masculine, the "a" feminine.

Examples, Antonio, Antonia
Paolo, Paola
Vito, Vita
Epifanio, Epifania

There shoud be a notation on the manifest about gender, but sometimes that is not correct.


There are a few exceptions: Luca, Mattia and Andrea end with an "a" but are masculine

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Re: Whats the english form of these names

Postby DeFilippis78 » 18 Dec 2009, 15:38

On Ellis Island just search the name Epifania Barilotta. Its the only one lisetd. Its hard to tell if it ends in a or o to me. Also I find it odd they mark the females with a G with an X through it.

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